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Hey, this is Michael Lovett with the breakfast Leadership Network and if you really want to learn how to level up your life you should be listening to the time to shine today podcast with my great friend Stafford isn’t

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time to shine today podcast squad it is Scott Ferguson and we are Episode 137. With my homeboy that we kind of grew up next to each other Michigan didn’t know each other. But now he has the breakfast leadership group that he runs out of San Diego, California and also up in Canada. He is a man that has faced adversity leveled up through it came out better on the other side. And now his mission is to help you avoid burnout and continue to level up. So without further ado, sit back, relax, break out your notebook because here comes my good friend Michael Leavitt from the breakfast Leadership Network

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level up.

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Time to shine today barsi squatted a Scott Ferguson and I got myself a homeboy from that people that know me and the my subscribers and my listeners know that I am from, you know, the suburbs of Detroit, Michigan and me and Michael literally lived in the same city at the same time. He’s a couple months older than me, but not that much. So we were still would have been in in school together. But it’s funny how we just kind of round about and reconnect. And you know, him and I have the same kind of thoughts about Detroit. A lot of people have like, maybe a little downtrodden thoughts and whatnot. But Michael and I kind of Detroit treat Detroit like a little brother where we can talk smack about them, but nobody else can. We’re very, very, very protective of our hometown. But Michael is the founder and chief burnout officer of the breakfast Leadership Network, a San Diego, California and Toronto, Ontario Canada based burnout media firm. He’s certified in NLP, neuro linguistic programming and CBT therapists, a fortune 500 consultant number one best selling author, which make sure you listen to the M because I’m going to be doing a book giveaway. And he’s the host of the breakfast leadership show, which is bomb.com. It’s a top 200 podcasts on iTunes, which is and he has a real life in the flesh kind of story. I can’t wait to dig in with him right now. So Michael, welcome to time to shine today. Squad, please introduce yourself. But first, what is your favorite color, and why?

2:32
favorite color is blue. Because in the comics, that’s the color the Batman wore

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my last interview today, all he talked about was turned out as bad signal in looking for help. It was awesome. It was banged away from her dad, great guy.

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There. There you go.

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I love it. I love it. So let’s get to the origins man. Love where you kind of started and how you probably had went through a burnout and got through it. And now you’re helping other people’s level up. So tell us tell us a little bit about that story. Please, Ben, or I’m sorry, Michael. Sorry about that.

3:04
Yep, noise. So breakfast leadership launched organization little over four years ago, because I recognize that burnout was becoming a huge issue for society. And of course, this is before the pandemic and working from home burnout, which is a huge problem that we’re facing across the globe, and especially in the United States. But I launched organization because I knew that I needed to address burnout and bring it to the forefront as far as people’s attention because of seeing it in every sector, every leader every level. And the big reason why is because I had my own burnout journey from 2009 and 2010. Where soon it nearly cost me everything, including my life. And after recovering from what I refer to as your worst case scenarios, I realized life doesn’t have to be that way. And I created a better life for myself. And after doing that, I started being aware of what was going on around me and I thought I can do a couple things, I can ignore it and just let them fall on their face and do whatever they need to do. Or I can bring awareness to this and give people the insight and the information that they need to be able to address their own personal burnout situation. And most importantly, prevent it from happening again. So that’s a little bit about me.

4:30
We dig into that burnout story if you don’t mind sharing. Yeah, of course. Like what happened. Oh, 809 I mean, I know I was lost everyday. I’m a real estate agent by trade. And I didn’t listen to my mentors. I printed money from 2000 345 and six and then didn’t save it and monetize it and work it. Like Can you share a little bit about your your burnout? Sure.

4:51
Yeah. The the kickstart was in 2007. I just started working as a healthcare executive for a StartUp Health Care Organization and Just outside of Windsor, Ontario, I’m a dual citizen I immigrated to Canada in 2004 became a citizen in 2011. But back in 2007, I started up in this healthcare organization, and I was employee number one. So I was responsible for recruiting physicians, hiring staff, negotiating a site relocation for our clinic, entertaining in educating the community as to why our medical clinic was better than some long standing clinics that were in the community. So this was quite a grad, it was a startup. And for anybody that’s ever been in a startup situation, you know, there’s a lot of hours involved. Unfortunately, for me, I didn’t establish boundaries around when I would work and when I wouldn’t, and basically, that boundary was I just worked. And from 6am to 11pm, seven days a week email, because I was getting email at all those hours and sending them at all those hours, just grinding and grinding, and not taking care of myself, stressing out over the pressure of a job and not taking care of myself from a nutrition standpoint, or rest or family, friends and things like that. And it all came to a crashing halt in May of 2009, where I at age 40 had a heart attack. And I had two blockages in my left anterior descending artery, which in cardiology world that’s referred to as the Widowmaker. Because people don’t typically survive with those. I mean, some do. But and thankfully I did, but many don’t. So that kicked off what I refer to as my year worst case scenarios. And what happened, what happened in that year’s time from May 2009. To may 2010, is I had a heart attack that should have killed me. 17 weeks later, I lost my job during the economic recession. And I was in Windsor cross from Detroit. We all know what happened with the auto sector. That was not there was there was no jobs to be found. That took several months to find a new job. Got up to Toronto, so left a community of roughly 25,000 to a community of about 7 million. It’s a slight adjustment. Now, thankfully, thankfully, I worked and lived in Chicago before. So I was used to big crowds, but I didn’t think I was going to be back into it. And Toronto traffic is a whole lot worse than Chicago other than the eisenhardt. But But anyway, so moved up trial, started working, and then got a phone call from my oldest daughter at the time. And she was she’s still my oldest daughter. But she was at that point that I know of anyway. I love it.

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Love it. Yes.

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Yeah. Well, there’s always those surprises. Oh, you kind of look like me, huh? Oh, well. Anyway, so I got a call from her and I could barely understand because she was crying. So I finally got the gist of it that the bank had come by and repossessed our family vehicle. And then, a few weeks later, after we had moved up to Toronto from our place, and had movers and unpacked everything, we realized that we forgot the bunk bed ladder, back a little house, and we are getting ready to list the house. So I went back down because I was visiting my brother in Detroit. So I said, well go visit him and then I’ll swing by the house and grab the ladder and just kind of do a walk through again and see if there’s anything else that we forgot. When I get to the house open up the screen door. And I see the biggest padlock I’ve ever seen in my life. I’ve never seen a padlock like this at Home Depot or anyplace else. I don’t know. They’re special for for banks right? Now. They’re big ones. So you know you you work in real estates, you know what they look like, and a foreclosure sign on the door. So in a period of 369 days at a heart attack that should have killed me, lost my job during the economic recession, had my family car repossessed, and my home foreclosed on here. And every one of those things were caused because I was burned out. And that’s why I do what I do. Because I know what burnout can do. They can it can wreak havoc on your life, your finances, your family, relationships, work everything. And it doesn’t have to be that way. I could have chose a different path. I could have not worked all those hours I could have avoided using the talk into a speaker and drive around the corner get a brown bag as my breakfast lunch and dinner meal plan. I could have not stressed out about things and I could have done things in my life that I enjoyed to do. I was a mini season ticket holder for the Tigers. I quit going because it wasn’t fun. I’ve loved baseball since the 70s. Right, thrilled. I’m thrilled that it’s back now. Fingers crossed it’ll stick around. Sure. No You know, because while Miami Marlins ran into a little issue, and I’m guessing they won’t be the only one. So, long story short, I stopped doing things that I enjoy. So when you add all those ingredients together and you get into a burnout situation, it can really make your life absolutely miserable. And it did. But thankfully, my reinvented myself, which is not an easy thing to do, but it is possible.

10:24
Did you seek help for that?

10:27
I did a bit, not as much as I probably should have. Okay. A lot of it was self work. I have, you know, I’ve done a lot of work and worked with therapists since on a couple matters. So I’m definitely not, I’m not allergic to those people. I’m actually I encourage people to do them. And I have people in my network that I refer to all the time that you know, because if there’s somebody that comes to me with a burnout situation, and after talking with them, I know, okay, you know what, there’s a better counselor than me, that can work with you on this specific issue. So that’s where I direct them. And that’s awesome. Just, yeah, it’s just, it’s for me, as I look at it as the it’s not, yes, it’s business, okay, we know for sure, call it what it is. But ultimately, it’s like, if I know there’s somebody that better than me, they can help this person, get them to where they want to be deserved to be that I’m going to refer them to that person. 10 times out of 10.

11:21
So right, yeah, so it makes it easier. It’s kind of like the right horse for the course kind of, you know, analogy. And that’s what we do here, you know, time to shine today. And that’s why we’re happy to bring you on. So when people are going through that burnout, when not we have a great source of refer them to so if I’m out at a networking event, which we do have those around here in South Florida, we’re pressing flush, and I’m meeting people. What kind of things is someone going to say to me, that would make them a good prospect connection or referral for breakfast

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club. I think the key thing is if if especially if you know them are few, you’re getting to know them, you know, if they’re talking about things about, you know, their fatigue, did all the time, the things that they enjoy doing anymore, they stopped going out and eating up. A lot of times you see it with friends, where they always go out, and then they stop going out. And they say well works busy. But work isn’t any busier than it normally is. Right? Just they’re they’re definitely struggling with that. Significant. You know, weight fluctuations is always a good indicator as well, but not typically sometimes, you know, just, you know, they you know, the metabolism is a funny thing as we get older. It’s a comedian, I don’t find it funny, but my certainly my metabolism seems to be. But those are, those are some things to look for. In one thing, too, especially if it’s a co worker or somebody if you notice, they’re more irritable than they usually are. Or they’re making more mistakes than they used to. There’s definitely some red flags there to look at. And it’s difficult because even with more and more talk about mental health, thankfully, it’s happening, it’s sort of still, there’s still an embarrassment component to it, where people will look at their burnout as a self failure, which it’s not, it’s right, you haven’t failed, you made some choices, you have some behaviors, some thoughts, and that’s where the CBT and the NLP comes in. There’s behaviors and thoughts and self talk that we give to ourselves that will create these scenarios where we can be stressed over a long period of time, and eventually that does lead to burnout.

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Absolutely, so it’s kind of like a, it’s a culmination of a lot of different things. From what I’ve heard with you, that it wasn’t just one thing, it was many trips through that speaker at the drive thru as many, you know, decisions that you made. So just like as a is you’re working our way out of it. Well, we talked about a lot here at time to shine today is, you know, inch by inch, it’s a cinch by the yard, it’s hard. So eventually, you can dig out that hole. And it’d be great to be able to introduce you to Michael to be able to help with the process of being able to dig out So Michael, when you’re taking on a new client might be in the discovery process or maybe you’ve they’ve hired you what is kind of a secret sauce if you don’t mind sharing of like maybe helping them find their blind spot.

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I for me, it’s asking the deep questions because and this is sometimes I get people raising their eyebrows when this I see burnout as a choice and they go I Why would I choose burnout is when you didn’t choose to be burned out you made choices and decisions that led to your burnout. So the secret sauce for me is to figure out okay, you know what makes you think that you’re burned out or why do you feel that you’re burned out? What are some things that have been going on in your life? choices, decisions, patterns,

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a combination of choices, right that? Yep,

14:55
exactly, because it’s a situation where it’s not an overnight We wake up tomorrow morning go, Oh, I caught burnout. No, that’s right. That’s called a hangover. It’s different. It’s, you know, so, but at the end of the day, you run into these situations where it’s over a period of time. And and sometimes it’s past traumas, you know, I worked with somebody a while ago, that was a type A personality, very driven, very successful, very hard on themselves, a lot of negative self talk. And a lot of it was driven from their childhood, where their parent was pushing them to be from their perspective, because they didn’t talk to the parent. But from their perspective, driven to be successful, they could not accept anything but being number one best period, end of story. And, and they didn’t allow them from, again, from their perspective, to do the things that they really wanted to do. So there’s some resentment about their childhood, because they didn’t get to do the things that they wanted to do, because they were forced to be doing this, which is something that while Yes, they were good at he didn’t want to do

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true. And you’re forcing direction.

16:13
Yeah. And that and, and that stuff, you know, that, that that person carried from in their in their 30s. Now, that was when they were 10 or 11 years old. So we got a couple decades of hearing this luggage

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process. It’s causing the burnout, right? Yep. Wow. So Michael, what do you do, too? You mentioned this earlier about staff establishing boundaries, what is one of the first steps and just the first step, if you could, that you really work through with your clients to establish boundaries to kind of work out of the burnout and not go back to burnout?

16:48
Yeah, one of the exercises we do is we have them go through some scenarios that has been from their perspective is causing them stress. And asking them okay, when someone, let’s say, it’s stress with a loved one, for example, and the others pressure from a parent or a spouse or something like that, it’s like, okay, when this person asked you to do this, how does it make you feel when they ask you? Do you feel resentment? Do you feel happy? Do you feel neutral? Do you feel angry? What you know, get get into the feelings of that? If you’re okay, why is it making you angry? because well, they never do this, or they never do that. It’s like, Well, no, is a complete sentence. And the challenge that a lot of people face when establishing boundaries is they figure Okay, well, I’ve been behaving this way towards this person or towards this boss, or this employer, all this time, now, I’m going to completely change to 180. And not do it. Like that’s dangerous. Don’t approach it that way. Ideally, you want to have communications with those parties and say, Look, I, in order for me to be the best version of me to help you, whether it’s an employee or a spouse, or friend or whatever, I need to start doing these things differently in order for me to be the best version of me so I can help you out better. Yeah, yeah. So it’s about understanding the other party may be okay with it, the other party may be dead set against it. And that’s on them. That’s not on you. You have boundary boundaries to self care boundaries is preserving yourself and making sure that you are taking care of us first, because even though we’ve been around people for a long time, we may have friends family that we’ve known most of our life. We’ve only been around ourselves 100% of the time. It’s good. Take it. Yeah, I don’t I don’t have any tagalongs as far as I know. So,

18:49
all right, how important is sleep.

18:52
Sleep is critical because we do damage to our bodies on a daily basis. Even if we live the most healthiest lives and we eat kale everything we you know, being sarcastic there. But we can beat all the best, we still do damage to our bodies just because of environment, wear and tear natural things. When we get deep restful sleep, that’s when your body is repairing itself and if you don’t get deep, restful sleep, then the damage of today doesn’t get repaired tonight so the damage of tomorrow meets up with the damage today and it starts piling up and that’s when you start having mental ailments and physical ailments and then ultimately clogged arteries and you get to meet the cardiology team and it’s not a lot of fun Plus, you know, especially if you don’t have good drug coverage, you know, my my drugs were 1000 bucks a month and reminder. I was I was unemployed crock.

19:52
So that’s what I had people is sleep is paramount. I mean, you know I’m not doing a plug for him but I have this aura ring. Now that Like measures everything for me. And it’s really kind of I’m treating my sleep now. Like a like one of my workout sessions, meaning like I’m preparing for my sleep, you know, making sure the right essentials are in my body. I cool the room down, I black it out, turn off the noise and stuff. So I’m happy that you did concur. Oh, definitely. So Michael, let’s get in our DeLorean with Michael with a with Marty McFly. Let’s get back to the 22 year old Michael Leavitt. What kind of knowledge nuggets? Are you dropping on him to help him maybe shorten the learning curve and level up? Maybe a little quicker.

20:40
Two things, one, be better with your finances. Number two, don’t be a perfectionist. Don’t stress about it. Who cares? gets good enough. And, and seek to understand other people’s point of view. And I was I was uptight as they could get back then. So I say the 2007 was the things but quite frankly, I think 1991 two, you know, that point where I had the cardiac event, I think I think the the stones were being laid for it. Because it there’s just, I am a completely different person than I was back then. And even in Facebook, love it or hate it. The memory section is quite cute, because I’ll see some posts because I signed on Facebook in 2008. So it was about a year before the heart attack. So I look at some of the posts that I did that it brought back and I look and I go I know that person, but I don’t recognize them.

21:48
Got it.

21:49
And it was it when it’s yourself. It’s a little like, okay, nervy? That’s what it is. But it’s also okay. I’ve done some great moves.

21:58
I made it through that and look at where I leveled up to. That’s not exactly. So when you’re taking a new client? Is there any good question that you wish they would ask you but never do?

22:15
They don’t ask Why do the work. But I tend to be pretty public about that. So I guess that wouldn’t be at. But they could ask him anything. So you left a healthcare executive career, you were successful, and in that role, and you did great things and got, you know, certifications and all that good stuff, right? Why? Why? Why do you care?

22:41
I love that that’s what I was searching for. Is Why do

22:44
you Why did well, right? Because Because if you help one person defeat their personal burnout, it has a ripple effect. Just like throwing a pebble across the river. It impacts all their loved ones, the people they work with people that they spend time with. And it just it just makes it so much easier for them to live their life. And they get to experience life and taste things, even during a pandemic. And I know a lot of people are burning out right now because of the work and being full time school teachers again and right at a billion zoom calls and all of these things. I get it. I know, I know what it feels like. But having those time boundaries around things. And there’s still things to enjoy. You know, so you can still go outside you can still do things you can still order for your favorite food. Read. Okay. Yeah, yeah, those weren’t those weren’t taken away from us. So

23:44
truth truth right there. So we talked a lot about the dash here at time to shine today. Michael, how do you want your dash remember that that little mark in between your, you know, life date and your expiration date? How do you want Michael’s dash to be remembered maybe your epitaph or legacy statement.

24:05
I want my life to be viewed as somebody that quoting you just a few seconds ago, gave a shit about people living their best life. Because if people live their best life, then then they are giving more and better than they would be able to otherwise. And that’s when creativity comes in. That’s when inventions of great things come into play. All the things that we take for granted that we have access to you and I are having a conversation right now over somebody’s invention. Right? And, and it’s a great opportunity to be able to do that in for many people, especially right now with physical distancing and borders closed and all that good stuff. This is how we communicate with a lot of loved ones if they’re not in the same country as we are. So be give and live your best life. You want to live and I know Time flies, but tell me when you’re living your best life and you enjoy life, it really flies but you know what? You want to enjoy it and enjoy the moment, enjoy the moment embrace the moment.

25:14
Do I coach people, Michael that are a little bit like, you know, like older like that, like our age, you know, you know, kind of not the young box and stuff like that. And they’re almost I’ve been told it like, I’m afraid to enjoy it so much because it flies so much that they almost sabotage themselves into staying there because they feel it slows time, but I’m like, Man, you’re gonna have less time on earth because you’d be dead. If you keep going in the in the way you’re going. So you just nailed that. You nailed that. So what’s three things Michael can’t live without, and they can be people places or things.

25:47
Three things that I can’t live without. I mean, I could be cheesy and say oxygen, food and shelter now but I’m not gonna say that I have any

25:55
ready the ability to learn

26:01
that’s one thing I’m a lifelong learner, I’ve learned so much. I learned that I should have paid more attention in marketing classes when I went to Walsh college instead of just all accounting, especially when you launch a business fresher going outside there’s a natural URL that’s not too far for me and I I I kicked myself for not enjoying it when I was younger, but I’m making up for it now. And just quiet moments to reflect in dream and get creative on things you’re building in those buffer times in your calendar to just do self care and that could be a variety of things it could be exercise, it could be going for a walk could be sitting you know a patio drinking a cup of coffee or tea or anything like that though. Those are big things your family friends you know are all important and all that but you know those are things that I that energize me on a daily basis and I make sure that I do it on a daily basis

27:02
love that I take my little mini sabbaticals on a daily it’s like I don’t have to force myself to anymore, but it was something that I had to treat, like a workout to really force myself into that. So what is your definition of life well lived.

27:18
A life well lived is living your life how you want it where you want it when you want. I love

27:23
it. Because we wind things down a little bit. I have are leveling up lightning round five or six questions you and I could talk for 15 to 20 minutes on each one. You got five seconds answer no explanations. You ready to rock stood alright. What’s the best leveling up advice you’ve ever received?

27:42
But thinking too damn much.

27:45
Sure one of your personal habits that contributes to your success. Reading. Love it. Speaking to that now what you’re reading now, not the flavor of the month, or anything like that. What is the one book if I’m in the doldrums? Man, I’m like an outside of your own book. Also, if I’m in the doldrums and I’m like, hey, Michael, you know, you know this time I’m feeling you’d be like, hey, Fergie, here’s here’s the book. What would it be?

28:10
My favorite leadership books is the tortoise and the hare.

28:14
I love it. I love it. And it’s funny you say that tortoise and Hare. My favorite sales book is green eggs and ham. You know, it’s true. It’s funny what you can learn. That’s awesome. So what’s your most commonly used emoji when you’re taxed?

28:28
Probably Thumbs up.

28:30
Thumbs up, my man. Awesome. But you did give me a thumbs up on LinkedIn. So you’re not lying? Not not what your age now but if physically, what age would you want to be for the rest of your life? 33 and Oh man, like 28 to 32 is my jam. Dude. I like the feeling good then. Alright, so what’s your favorite charity and organization that you like to support your time and or money to?

28:59
March of Dimes? And yeah, there’s Heart and Stroke Foundation. You know, there’s, you know, heart things and all that stuff, which I support as well. But March of Dimes, and just because when I was born Actually, I had a I was born with a hernia, so Yeah, apparently I was doing some too heavy lifting and I’m not really sure I I guess that was probably the last time that I lifted But anyway, but it’s an organization that does some great work and I’ve been

29:30
for a long time.

29:31
Last question is kind of a little bit tougher, but what is the best decade of music 6070s 80s or 90s?

29:42
I’m after

29:45
I’m old I’m gonna have to go seven days. No, you know,

29:47
you got some mix in there, man. Well, you got you got to mix a

29:52
good mix out you know, and you know, you spent more than a few days listening to WRI F and

29:58
roof. Yeah, you know It’s funny, our generation man, we had the 70s with the classic rock and disco, right. And then which was the back end of the hippie stuff, which is good music too. But then the 80s roll into rap, you know, like, you know, Sugar Hill gang and Run DMC, you got to hairbands. You know, you got the English invasion, you know, from a bigger standpoint than the Beatles, meaning like more bands came here. So it’s interesting our childhood is it’s fantastic. So how can we find you, Michael?

30:29
Best way finally go to breakfast, leadership calm. There, you find all kinds of different things on social media, just look under be fast leadership. Don’t put that on a license plate.

30:41
Because then you’ll get to

30:43
meet. You’ll get it? Yeah,

30:44
got that. Don’t Don’t do it. I I don’t have it on mine. And I won’t, it’s just dangerous. But you know what one thing anyway, we’d mentioned in the pre show twos. And we alluded to it a little bit about this. But it’s important for people to live their bucket list. And what I mean by bucket lists, my version of it is the things that you do and you enjoy in life, you need to do those and schedule them as if they’re the most important meeting you’ve ever had with the boss of your life, which the boss of your life issue. So there’s a template so you go to breakfast leadership, comm slash bucket, I’ll, I’ll get you a free template on that. I’ll send you a video to explaining deeper, what to do with the exercise because it’s, I find with people that are burning out, they stopped doing things that they enjoy doing in life. And that is a huge problem. You need to make life enjoyable.

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You know, and also folks, he’s written a book and he answered the question within our podcast here. I was like, why 369 days, I understand now he lost his his job, he had a heart attack his car in his house, so and so you just heard the story from Michael about that. So he wrote the book, 369 days to survive. And I want to give you a free signed copy. So if you’re listening this go over to the Facebook group. And just leave a comment in the Facebook group is facebook.com slash time to shine today, leave a comment under his little audio gram that we’re going to put their forum and we’ll make sure that you get a signed copy sent to you from Michael as well. I honestly haven’t read it yet. But it’s going to be one next to my reading, especially right now because the book hits home with COVID because people are going to you know shifts and pivots or whatever the new cool word is to say about that right now. And folks you just really had a free masterclass dropped on you by my homeboy and good friend, you know, you know, Michael love it. You know, he reminds us to be curious about our feelings, to establish boundaries, if you’re fatigued, or don’t enjoy what you used to do and like to do like he made an analogy of the Detroit Tiger tickets I had my season tickets to, I never Luckily, I never hit burnout like that, too. I didn’t want to go the game. But if you’re not feeling it, reach out to me. And I’ll be happy to the to make a personal introduction of Michael, remember, you have not failed. When you hit burnout. It’s just another stepping stone. Remember, inch by inch, it’s a cinch, you know, ask yourself the deep questions of how you got there. The choices that you’re making right now is where you’re going to be a month from now, you know, or years from now. And Michael is Michael seems like the guy that is the the friend that I wish I had five years ago. And I think that that’s the kind of guy Michael is because Michael is going to help you level up and he’s going to help you establish the boundaries around you to be better with your finances. Don’t be a perfectionist. You know, seek to understand the points of other points of view. That means Shut your mouth and listen. And really listen with your ears, eyes and all your senses to really get to know people. You know, strive to live your life your best life. Don’t think too damn much. No, get busy living now. Don’t get busy dying and do the things you absolutely enjoy. And Michael does all of those. He’s a coach, speaker, author. He’s a total baller. He’s humble yet hungry, loves up his health. He levels up as well. Monthly. You’re part of our squad right now. Thank you so so much for coming on. And we’re gonna do some collaborations here in the brand new feature brother.

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I’m thrilled to be here today. Scott, thank you so much, man. Awesome

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