Money’s coming in, people respect you. On paper, you’ve got it dialed in. But internally, something’s off. And here’s the dangerous part: when you’re struggling, you’re forced to change. When you’re successful, you can hide. I was working with a… I am working with a professional Major League Baseball player right now.

Top level, elite, living the dream most people would kill for. But behind the scenes, he felt disconnected from the game, his people, from himself. And you know what he told me? He said, “Fergie, Coach Fergie, I don’t even know if I love this anymore.” Kind of crazy squad? But think about that. When success starts pulling you away from who you are, it’s not success anymore, it’s a cage.

So we didn’t talk mechanics, we didn’t talk stats, we got real clear on alignment. Who he is, what matters, and how he shows up when the lights are on. Because pressure doesn’t create anything new, it exposes what’s already there. And if that’s where the ali- And if that, if… Here we go, squad. If what’s there is alignment, you feel it, no matter how much you’re [00:02:00] winning.

So here’s the deal for you. If your li- life looks good on the outside but it doesn’t feel right on the inside, don’t double down on the same path. Have the guts to check it, adjust it, redefine it, because winning at the wrong game is the fastest way to kinda lose your grip on life. And talk about a guy who has made some pretty solid changes in his life.

He didn’t just climb the mountain, he got to the top, looked around and said, “Hold up. This isn’t it.” I got my guy in… Oh, huge thank you to Michelle Schaefer out there for the interview to Jake Kennington, who I’ve been waiting to interview this guy. This is awesome. I got him in the house. A licensed structural engineer who spent over a decade designing $100 billion buildings, the kind of success most people are chasing.

But here’s where it gets real. He realized something most people never have the courage to admit: external success doesn’t always equal fulfillment. So instead of staying comfortable, instead of stay- staying s- staying successful on paper, he tore it down to rebuild his life by design. Now he’s the founder of Actively Human, helping high-performing fr- [00:03:00] professionals who feel stuck, misaligned, or just know there’s more in them step into their second summit, not by default, but on purpose.

Through his REDAC framework, he’s helping people redefine success, reconnect with what actually matters, and stop sacrificing their life for a version of success that doesn’t even fulfill them. This one’s gonna hit you, squad, ’cause I know a lot of people, they reach out to me saying that they’re misaligned, and that’s why I even started out with the coaching analogy, ’cause we’re gonna de- dig in here with my guy Jake.

And Jake, thank you so much for coming on. Please introduce yourself to the Time to Shine Today podcast varsity squad. But first, what’s your favorite color and why? 

Jake Kennington: Oh, that’s great. My favorite color, I’ll go with black. My wall right here is black, and I think black goes with everything. So that’s my favorite color.

I like bright colors too, but black’s solid. D- and black, I… it slims me down, bro. So 

There you go. 

Coach Fergie: Exactly. 

Jake Kennington: Yeah, I 

Coach Fergie: love that. Dude, like sometimes you look for that black. But, Jake, you went from designing massive buildings to redesigning people’s lives. So be honest with me real quick, okay?

What’s harder, [00:04:00] dealing with steel and concrete or human emotions? 

Jake Kennington: I love it. People are complicated, right? No matter what you do professionally and also personally, people are complicated. But that… There, there’s a, a joy with working with people that doesn’t come from working with concrete and rebar, right?

But it’s- And yeah … 

Coach Fergie: it, what was it, man? What was that click, brother? Because it’s like you, you do stuff that like a l- a lot of people don’t realize what you did saves people’s lives. And what I mean by that is dude, if you do your job wrong, people die, right? You are like a lifesaver before even something happens.

Like what was like, “Hey, I’m gonna step away from this and really lean in to making people lean into their own ultimate human potential”? That’s a great question. And you nailed it on the head. What we do as, as structural engineers is we design what I call the skeleton of the building. We design it so it doesn’t fall over- Well done

Jake Kennington: in a huge wi- wind event or an earthquake, right? Sure. I grew up in California, lots of earthquakes there. I now live near Salt Lake City, also lots of [00:05:00] earthquakes here. Yeah. And so top of mind for us is life safety, human life, protecting, other humans, and it’s something that doesn’t get understood or people don’t understand that about what structural engineers do, that a lot of it is that life safety.

But the transition for me i- in my career as a structural engineer becoming a coach and starting a business called Actively Human, was that I felt, for me personally, I felt a huge creative void in what I was doing as an engineer. I was sitting behind a computer, cra- cranking out numbers, doing calculations, and I wasn’t interacting with people and I wasn’t creating.

I think it’s deeply human to create- wow … and to share with other people and interact with other people and connect, and I was missing that. Not every engineer feels that way. Some describe- … engineering a- as super creative. But for me- Sure … I was just… I had that void of creativity in what I was doing professionally.

Coach Fergie: With, with engineering, Jake, it’s like this or that. It’s like you [00:06:00] have to do this. If you do that, the the, the building can fall. With dealing with humans and whatnot, everybody has a different, take on their way of doing things. And I, and my squad out there knows, a lot of people know, I’ve, I built my business and my bones and my wealth, if you wanna call it that with real estate as a real estate broker.

27 years now, I still work with luxury property. I’m blessed to have awesome clients. But one thing about engineers, brother, they are the worst to represent . Okay? I can say this to your face because you live thousands of miles away, and I don’t think I’m ever gonna represent- Sure, sure … you on anything. But dude, they read every word.

They are like, they question everything. And I’m so chill. I’m like, “Yeah I love what I do,” so I just lean into it. But some people it’d really get ’em, My gosh, dude, they’re gonna ask 1,000 questions. Yeah, it’s their biggest investment to that point in their life. What do you think?

But engineers are precise. Okay? How much of that preciseness do you remove a little bit out when you’re working with humans? You know what I’m saying? ‘Cause when you do, you have to be spot on to the angle, to the milliliter, y- you [00:07:00] know what I’m saying. But like, how do you make that distinction and be okay with it?

Jake Kennington: Yeah, engineers, you’re right, are very precise, they’re very logical, they’re very analytical. They’re 

Coach Fergie: God, by the way. 

Jake Kennington: They’re God. They… yeah. In, in one way it’s a benefit, right? It’s definitely something you wanna lean into when you’re cranking out numbers and calculations and trying to make sure that this building isn’t gonna fall over.

Yeah. And so precise is a good thing. But what you just brought up is an excellent point. Humans are complicated, they’re nuanced. You have to be able to see the bigger picture and not get lost in the details. Engineers are very detail-oriented. What I always say, maybe this will ring true to you or make sense to you, is that in, in, in the normal world, in the real world, I’m fairly introverted, right?

But in the engineering world I’m more of an extrovert, right? And so I, I- I was gonna 

Coach Fergie: say, did you fit in? 

Jake Kennington: Yeah. And so ironically I felt like I, although I speak the language of an engineer and I love working with engineers- Yeah … in what I do with Actively Human be- because we have [00:08:00] that commonality and that common thread, I always felt like I didn’t belong a little bit.

I don’t know if that makes sense. But- Absolutely, brother … but I was, like, part of the tribe- Yeah … but also different. 

Coach Fergie: Dude, I was gonna say that when we were… Th- that, that’s what I’m getting at, and thank you for catching on to that because our conversation off the mic, and I’m thinking engineer c- getting on, I have to speak another language today.

Again, I don’t mind, right? It’s just a different language. But we were talking about your awesome grandpa, Richard Rozier- … who’s a legend ultra runner, by the way, squad, that’s out there. And my guy that I’m interviewing right now is gonna do a half-marathon with his younger brother this weekend- Yep

whi- which is awesome. But talking about that is usually never where it leads with an engineer. So I was actually forcing an issue from jump and I’m like, wait a minute, this dude’s like a guy that I’d go and get a brain grenade with at the bar and hang out and chat with, you know what I’m saying? With you feeling on the outside, if you will, I’m not saying that you were not accepted or anything like that, but was that part of the thought process of moving into working with human beings?[00:09:00] 

Jake Kennington: Yeah, it was an element for sure. I- Again, it isn’t, like you said, it’s not necessarily like I felt on the outside, but I definitely felt like there was more than just engineering that I wanted to accomplish with my career and with my life. 

Coach Fergie: Love 

Jake Kennington: it. And the question then becomes what else, right?

And so I think a lot of people, regardless of what industry they’re in, they get not everybody, but a lot of people, they get five, 10, 12 years into their career and they start asking themselves questions like, “Is this it?” Or, “What’s next?” Or, “Am I gonna be doing this for 30 years?” And those are the kinds of questions I was asking. And again, not that I felt like I was on the outside or anything like that. I felt like I was part of a tribe and part of a group, but I quickly realized that although engineering is great and corporate America is great and having a 9:00 to 5:00 job is great, there’s no villain in this story- I knew that it wasn’t for me long term. 

Coach Fergie: Yeah. That- that’s, that- that- that’s amazing that you made that distinction. But it just [00:10:00] still baffles me in a great way that you lean into humans now instead of buildings and drawings and stuff like that, ’cause I’ve just never heard of it. And with myself being a real estate broker, and basically my coach in 2010 when I had to rebuild everything after the market crash, right?

She’s like, “Oh, it’s time for you to coach.” And I was like, “What are you talking about?” And I’ve had same coach since 1999. I’ve had her for 27 years now, right? And, she’s like, “Scott, you work with someone’s biggest investment to that point in their life. And so you’ve coached them through that.

Not only are you that, you’re a marriage counselor ’cause husbands and wives argue, you- you’re a babysitter. You watch the kids while they’re running or, looking at the houses and stuff like that. So it made sense for me. So thank you for being clear and concise on how you leaned into this because that’s a question I’ve been wanting to ask is I just didn’t, I didn’t see it, but now I see it.

And what the, and Squad, what’s lucky about this in having someone like Jake, having someone like this, not only is he professional and he’s going to lean in, and like I say, listen with his neck when he’s talking to you, but he’s going to be precise. [00:11:00] He’s gonna take you in the direction that you need to go th- through probably the curiosity and questions that he’s gonna ask you at the start.

But, Jake, how many high performers right now are kinda lying to themselves? A- and what’s it costing them to not wake up? Meaning they’re just, they’re- they’re not doing what they’re born to do. 

Jake Kennington: Yeah, that, that’s a fantastic question. I was walking with a friend the other day. Me and a friend, we like to go on a walk every week or two.

He lives down the street. He owns a business as well, and we walk around our park. And we were walking and this phrase came out of my mouth that I had never actually thought myself. It felt like it wasn’t from me because as I said it, I immediately looked at him and I s- he looked at me, and he’s we both agreed, and I said something to the effect of, “The most selfish thing that we can do is live a life of mediocrity.”

Coach Fergie: Yes. 

Jake Kennington: And again, as an analytical, overthinking engineer [00:12:00] type my default is to be more on the humble and grateful side of I have a blessed life. I have four wonderful children, a wonderful- Wow … wife and family and- Awesome … and to be gr- to be grateful w- to just be like, complacent with what I have and why strive for more because I, what I have right now is already a, a lot, right?

Yeah. But what we realized in that conversation was it’s like where much is given, much is required, right? Yes, 

Coach Fergie: sir. 

Jake Kennington: And so to pay it forward and to use my time, talents, and treasure to help and bless other people as opposed to just sit on my hands and be grateful for what I’ve been given.

Coach Fergie: That, that… S- you and I are like brothers from another mother, man, because it’s exactly- Love it thing, ’cause like I believe that if you’re not living and leaning into what you’re, what you can do, right? That you’re sinning. And I’m not using it in a religious connotation. The root word- Sure … the, the root of the word sin is sine.

It’s a Greek word [00:13:00] which means missing the mark. It goes to archery. So w- it- it’s nai- you nailed it. And we are the only living organism on Earth that will not grow to its potential. People like they look at trees, the root system tells you how high it’s gonna grow, right? Like everything else that’s living, like you might see a fat dog, but it’s probably ’cause the owner doesn’t walk and walk the dog.

But other than that, everything will live to its ultimate except for humans, right? Yeah. And then so what you just said right there that the most selfish thing you can do, Squad, listen to what he said. The most selfish thing you can do is live a life of mediocrity. 100%. And for him to put his time, talents, and treasures in to bless others, I’m glad you stepped away from what you did, brother.

So let me ask you something. When you are maybe wor- do you work with people one on one, Jake? 

Jake Kennington: Yeah, th- this is a great question, and I’ll be quick. For the last two years I’ve worked with people one on one. Just this beginning of this year- yeah … I started a gr- a group program called The Second Summit, and I only do that, and I specifically work with men.

That wasn’t my [00:14:00] target the last two years, but I just, I took an account an accounting of who I’ve worked with, who I’ve really been able to help, and it’s been a previous version of me, a couple years ago. And so I now ta- I now target or try to work with successful men that have built a life that they were supposed to build- 

Coach Fergie: Sure

Jake Kennington: but they’re starting, so they’re starting to quietly resent that. And I help them figure out what they actually want, and I help them build that instead, and I do that in a group environment. 

Coach Fergie: That’s awesome. I love that, chasing their second summit, that’s that, that’s amazing. Yeah. So maybe when you’re y- you’re kinda talking to somebody and they might pull you aside or whatnot, like what is your secret sauce to really help ’em shine a light on their blind spot?

Or something maybe do in the group, their blind spot that’s really holding them back from scaling that second summit? 

Jake Kennington: Yeah, I think. I was just… my business keeps me up at night. I care about the people I work with. And not e- not every night, but I have thoughts. 

Coach Fergie: I promise. I promise you.

Jake Kennington: Yeah, yes. Yeah. I have these thoughts and I [00:15:00] can’t sleep sometimes, and what I, inevitably what I do is I take my phone out and I try to dump those thoughts into my phone- Nice … so that I can look at them later and I can get to sleep. And this just happened this week and I’m glad you brought up this, this point here.

I wrote this in my phone. I wrote, “The secret to success is that you have to make your own map.” Yes. And so what happens a lot of times with these people that I work with and myself included, like I said, my, my best client is a previous version of me- … is that for years I followed somebody else’s definition or version of success.

I followed somebody else’s map. Now, there are great examples out there of people that we should follow and emulate and try to be like. I’m not saying blaze your own path or whatever. 

Coach Fergie: Sure. 

Jake Kennington: But you ha- but you have to be very clear on what success means to you. What are you aiming at, and what are you striving for?

What are your core values, and how are you gonna live your life? One of my favorite men on this planet, Richie Norton, is a mentor of mine, and he says, [00:16:00] “Build the castle, then the moat.” 

Coach Fergie: Yes. A- and go deeper on that. What do you think he really means by that? 

Jake Kennington: We spend so much time doing it the other way around.

We dig the trench and the moat around. Think of it like a medieval castle, right? Yeah. And the, the moat is meant to protect the castle. We spend so much time at work and doing things that society tells us to do. Now, I’m a, a firm believer of working hard and putting a lot of time and energy into what we do.

Yeah. But sometimes it’s misaligned with the person that we wanna become. Sure. And so we build this moat without e- even giving thought to what we’re protecting. 

Coach Fergie: So- 

Jake Kennington: The castle. So it’s build the castle first and then protect it. 

Coach Fergie: I love it. I love it. That’s being selfish for yourself, which I- Sure

I preach that. I live it. In my first a lot of people say, “You sound cliche,” but yeah, I’m up at 4:30, I’m cold plunging, I’m running a mile. Yeah. I’m getting it out and I’m getting moving. I’m 54, dude. If I don’t, then I will be, like, stuck in that castle, right? So but I make sure that I take it and so can, I can expand.

But you mentioned success, okay? Yeah. [00:17:00] You opened this can- Yeah … for me, brother. So- Let’s 

Jake Kennington: do it … 

Coach Fergie: what is your definition of success? 

Jake Kennington: I have so many, but I’ll give you, I’ll give you one of my ones that I come back to over and over again. Success is wanting to do this again. 

Coach Fergie: Oh, I love that, dude. That is nice.

Jake Kennington: Whatever 

Coach Fergie: this is- That aligns with me so much, man. Okay. Got it. Keep going. 

Jake Kennington: So yeah, to expand on that, it’s i- if that’s what I’m doing as a father or if that’s what I’m doing with my business- Yeah … or if that’s what I’m doing in relationships with my wife or my family or whatever it may be, I want to approach, it’s more of an approach or a strategy to what I’m doing.

So I define what I wanna do- 

Coach Fergie: Yeah … 

Jake Kennington: and then the approach is I wanna do it in a way that I wanna come back and do this over and over again. ‘Cause to me- 

Coach Fergie: That’s awesome … 

Jake Kennington: the only games worth playing are the infinite games, right? The games where you’re not trying to win, you’re just trying to keep playing because- Yes

it’s worth playing. 

Coach Fergie: Like that dang Christmas night Monopoly game that just keeps going, right? With your family. There you go. [00:18:00] But, it’s funny, like I’ve tweaked my definition through the years. Okay. But like I used to say success, bottom line, success is living a life of options and not obligations.

That’s- I love that … I’d love to argue that, right? But then I added doing what I love- … in the service of people that love what I do to live a life of options and not obligations. So if I do what I love in the service of people, they notice I love what I do, man, they, it’s unstoppable, bro.

You know what I’m saying? And I stole that from Steve Farber, who wrote Radical Leap. Awesome dude. A mentor of mine as well. And then Mike Milotessa is the one that passed it on to me. Success is living a life of options and not obligations. I run with that. And I’m allowed to say him on stage ’cause I give him homage and stuff like that.

But it was just that’s what it is. It’s just like doing, what you want while pouring into people, right? And that to me is success, doing that. So have you seen the movie Back to the Future? 

Jake Kennington: Yeah, for sure … 

Coach Fergie: it’s 41 years old now. It’s insane. Yeah. So let’s go back to the [00:19:00] double deuce Jake, the 22-year-old Jake Kennington.

It’s gonna have that, that DeLorean with Marty McFly. Let’s go back and visit him. Sure. What knowledge nuggets might you drop on him? Not to change anything, Jake, ’cause your trajectory has been pretty awesome, but to maybe help him shorten a learning curve or blast through quicker with what you know now.

Jake Kennington: Yeah. Again my, probably my most influential mentor Richie Norton, he wrote a wonderful book called Anti-Time Management, and that book changed the trajectory of my life. And I ended up hi- I didn’t know he was a coach, I just read his book, and I ran into this guy at In-N-Out of all places, 

Coach Fergie: and- Was 

Jake Kennington: it him?

It was him. I ran into him. Oh my gosh, dude. I’m like, “I know you. I’ve read your book. This is awesome.” And he’s such a down-to-earth dude. He lives in Hawaii. He’s got long blonde hair. 

Coach Fergie: Yeah. 

Jake Kennington: Business guy but also a coach. Hired him as my coach after I met him, and one of my biggest takeaways from him that I would’ve passed on or would love to pass on to my, my double [00:20:00] deuce, version of me is that we don’t have a time problem.

We have a priority problem. 

Coach Fergie: And what 

Jake Kennington: I 

Coach Fergie: mean by that- 

Jake Kennington: He is on 

Coach Fergie: my list of interviews coming up, I think, bro. I just looked up your name- Is he really? … and I’m like, yes, this is insane. Oh, he’s 

Jake Kennington: great. Say that 

Coach Fergie: again. We don’t have a time problem. 

Jake Kennington: We have a priority problem. And what I mean by that is we use time as an excuse.

We say I have a job and I have a commute and I have all these things and there’s only so many hours in the day, and therefore-” Thank you … “I can’t do-” There 

Coach Fergie: you go. 

Jake Kennington: Preach it … “the things that I wanna do.” Yes. But the reality is that time isn’t a problem. Time is just a reality. We all have the same 24 hours.

Love it. And we ha- and we have so many… If you use the Stephen Covey example of the big rocks, the little pebbles, and the sand, right? That you put in the jar. 

Coach Fergie: Yes, 

Jake Kennington: sir. Every day that jar is emptied and you get to pick which big rocks and which pebbles you put in and what sand you put in. Order matters.

Sure. But inevitably there’s [00:21:00] all these other things that are left outside the jar. Like the list of to-dos and obligations and commitments is endless. And so we have to- So good. Yeah … rearrange our priorities so that we’re choosing what’s important over what’s urgent. 

Coach Fergie: Love that. Love. You’re nailing it, everything.

Again, we are so aligned on on, on stuff, just maybe our delivery is different, right? So it’s just, that’s awesome that we are that I’m aligned with you in that. So how does Jake want his dash remembered? That little line in between your incarnation date and your expiration date, your life date and death date, right?

Hopefully it’s way down the line, but how does Jake want his dash remembered? Man, that’s a great question. I think the easiest way to sum it up is I wanna be known as a good friend 

Okay I think you’re gonna be remembered for a heck of a lot more than that, but I’m glad that made, that makes you feel like that would complete you.

Because what you’re doing for people and what you’ve came from, walked away from, a- and leaned into people don’t [00:22:00] do that. They just don’t. They don’t walk… I’m sure you were handsomely paid, right? And I’m sure that you’re taken care of a- and whatnot, but that, that’s just amazing.

Now you’re a life ar- a, mindset architect kind of now versus, putting the, together the plans. So what is Jake’s definition of a life well-lived? 

Jake Kennington: Man, you’re asking all the tough ones. 

Coach Fergie: Time 

Jake Kennington: decided today, baby. Life well-lived. I know. This is great. This is great. I would think that a, a life well-lived is a, a life in alignment with what you value most.

So one of the things we do in my coaching program is we get really clear on something that ha- i- is cliche is thrown around a lot, but I don’t think people really understand it, is what are your core values? What’s most important to you and why? Yeah. They aren’t just adjectives- The why’s huge, 

Coach Fergie: brother.

Jake Kennington: Yes … or chara- character traits. So yeah, you need the context, right? For me, success is really important, but without the why behind that, why is success important to [00:23:00] me, then you can miss the mark very easily. Yes. And so you have to get clear on what you value and why, and then the difficult part, the even more difficult part, is aligning your life with those core values.

Coach Fergie: Oh, love that. Love that. So my… what i- what would be, like, in two words or three words, what would be your why? Stewardship. Mine’s to be useful. Same thing pretty much. That’s- 

Jake Kennington: Same thing, yeah. 

Coach Fergie: Yeah, exactly. That’s the whole thing. And no matter what you do for a living, if I can be useful to you, meaning, hey, if I can help- Yep

you pick up trash, I’ll do that. It’s just, it’s something that just always pays back because there’s the whole, the oxygen and the tree, right? It’s you know- … giving and receiving has to be aligned, and that’s, that, that’s that’s amazing.

Time to Shine Today podcast, Varsity Squad, we are back. And Jake, we will definitely hook up live in the flesh one day and talk about some of these questions for 15, 20 minutes.

But today you got five seconds with no [00:24:00] explanations, and I promise you they can all be answered that way. Oh, man. All right. You level up? 

Jake Kennington: Okay, let’s do it. Yeah, let’s 

Coach Fergie: do it. Let’s 

Jake Kennington: do it. 

Coach Fergie: Okay, you engineer, let’s rock. All right. So Jake, what is the best leveling up advice you’ve ever received? 

Jake Kennington: I mentioned this earlier, we don’t have a time problem, we have a priority problem Love it.

Coach Fergie: Share one of your personal habits that contributes to your success. 

Jake Kennington: I am a avid believer of regular journaling and walking. 

Coach Fergie: Beautiful. Love that. So a hard truth, can you really have it all, or is that a lie we tell ourselves? 

Jake Kennington: You can have whatever you want. 

Coach Fergie: Absolutely, baby. So you see me kinda walking down the street.

You’re like, “Man, Fergie looks like he is in the doldrums, a little bit.” What book was handed to you, or did you pick up, that really flipped the switch in your mindset? 

Jake Kennington: I mentioned Richie’s book earlier. Good I’ll throw out another one, just because I already mentioned that one. Yeah. The Icarus Deception by Seth Godin.

Coach Fergie: [00:25:00] Heck yes. Without a doubt. Legendary. Beautiful. Your most commonly used emoji when you text? 

Jake Kennington: This one. 

Coach Fergie: All right. Nicknames growing up? 

Jake Kennington: Jake the Snake. 

Coach Fergie: Snake. Love it. Any hidden talents or superpowers that nobody knows about until now? 

Jake Kennington: Great question. I know how to juggle pretty well. 

Coach Fergie: There you go.

Love it. Chess, checkers, or Monopoly? 

Jake Kennington: Oh, Monopoly. It’s so frustrating. I know, right? Yeah. 

Coach Fergie: Headline for your life

Jake Kennington: In service of others 

Coach Fergie: Yes. Love that. You buy into any superstitions at all? 

Jake Kennington: No, not really. Me neither. I did when I played Little League baseball, but not anymore. 

Coach Fergie: Love it. Go-to ice cream flavor. 

Jake Kennington: Oh cookies and cream. 

Coach Fergie: All right. Right on. There’s a sandwich called Jake the Snake Kennington. Build that sandwich.

What are we eating? 

Jake Kennington: Something spicy and something meaty. I don’t know. My man. [00:26:00] Jalapeno spice on there, yeah. There 

Coach Fergie: you go. Dig it. I dig it. Favorite charity and/or organization you like to give your time and/or money to. 

Jake Kennington: I’m pretty committed to my church. I served a mission for two years in South America- Right on

and I to this day spend a lot of time with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day 

Coach Fergie: Saints. Of the Saints? Nice. Good for you, man. And last question, you can elaborate on this one a little bit, but what’s the best decade of music: 60s, 70s, 80s, or 90s? 

Jake Kennington: None, man. It’s the 2000s. 

Coach Fergie: 2000s. Come on. Okay, I got it. I got it.

I’m a young 

Jake Kennington: buck. 

Coach Fergie: Young buck, I love it. I love it. So how can we find you, my friend? 

Jake Kennington: Oh, great question. I appreciate this. I’m on LinkedIn. You can find me, Jake Kennington. My website is activelyhuman.com. And we talked about this before we hit record, but I do have a free resource there for anybody that’s listening.

Coach Fergie: Yep. 

Jake Kennington: It’s called the S- the Second Summit Playbook. 

Coach Fergie: Yep. 

Jake Kennington: And if you just go to activelyhuman.com, it’s right there at the top of the page. You click on the button, and then it’ll take you to where you need to go. I just ask for your email and your contact [00:27:00] information. But it is a roadmap of sorts to help you kinda navigate this, this tricky situation of putting all your eggs in one basket- Sure

for 10 or 15 years of your career, and now you’re thinking, similar to my story, “Is this it?” And, “Do I wanna keep doing this?” And what do you do next? And so I created this six-day roadmap called the Second Summit Playbook that your listeners can get for free and get to know me a little bit more through my website and LinkedIn.

Coach Fergie: Love it. And squad I have his site open now. You just click here. If you’re watching on Vimeo or YouTube, the Second Summit Playbook, click. Just drop your name and email in there. Does it come in a PDF? 

Jake Kennington: So it is a six-day email sequence. 

Coach Fergie: Oh, beautiful. Excellent. Squad, what we’re gonna do is we’re gonna do this, and I’m gonna do it and I expect everybody out there to do it as well.

So- 

Jake Kennington: Perfect. Thanks, Scott. 

Coach Fergie: You bet. And LinkedIn, he did mention. He’s on here. He’s active, which is awesome. It’s how we [00:28:00] kinda got connected through, again, Michelle Schaefer, the rock star out there. Yeah. They connected us. But Jake, give me one last solid, and the listeners too, and leave us with one last knowledge nugget that we can take with us, internalize, and take action on.

Jake Kennington: Yeah. Sometimes we get in our own heads 

Coach Fergie: Right 

Jake Kennington: And What we need, in my experience, is to talk to somebody about- Yes … these things. It’s super helpful. Yes. And so whether that’s a, a neighbor, a spouse, a good friend, we need, we need- Yeah … to talk to somebody about what we’re going through. A lot of times we feel like this, this kind of stuff is a little bit existential and we beat ourselves up about it and we go, “Man, my life is so rich.

Why am I struggling with these things?” And what I’ve found is m- more people are going through this than, than we’d like to admit or that we understand. 

Coach Fergie: So many. So many. And so- And sometimes just a conversation with you can just change their trajectory, brother, [00:29:00] and that’s what you need to do, squad.

Out there is… Let me get you in touch with my good friend Jake, who, he saw a creative void in his life, and what he was doing, he realized that he was that he wanted to help and get into the human race and help them being human beings and going out and protecting themselves and to be able to go out there and create.

In the real world, he’s… people think that engineers are introverted, but he was an extroverted engineer, which they don’t come around too much. And he reminded us that the most selfish thing you can do is li- live a life of mediocrity, which I 100% agree with him on this. This he uses his time, talents, and treasures to bless others, right?

And the secret to success is you make your own map. Build the castle, then the moat, not the other way around. And also he said something that I’ve never heard anyone say, but success is wanting to do it again. That makes so much sense. A huge shout-out to Richie Norton, the author of Anti-Time Management, that was a real pleasure and an influence in Jake’s [00:30:00] life.

He… And he reminded us that we don’t have a time problem, we have a priority problem. We’ll remember it as a good friend that he might’ve s- slid across home plate bumped and bruised, but he did it because he was doing everything in the service of others. And living a life well-lived to Jake is, life in alignment with what matters the most.

And if you have something that’s just, that’s living in your head rent-free and you need someone to talk to, please let me make a warm introduction to Jake or at least his men’s group to get in there and become a part of it. It’s just amazing. Make sure you opt in, to his on his website where I showed you the Success Blueprint, I believe, or no, sorry, I’m gonna say it the right way.

There’s the Second Summit Playbook. Make sure that you opt into that as well. And Jake, thank you so much for coming on. You level up your health, you level up your wealth. You’re a handsome devil. You lean into people, you pour into people, and those are the people that we like to be, surrounded by.

And so again, we appreciate you coming out, brother. 

Jake Kennington: Thanks, Sky. I had a wonderful time. Thanks for having me. 

Coach Fergie: You bet. [00:31:00] Chat soon. 

Jake Kennington: Okay. Sounds good. Thanks.