They want the championship photo, but not the lonely mornings. They want the big business, but not the pressure, rejection, sacrifice, and repetition that comes before anybody notices them. [00:01:00] Everybody wants the microphone, the trophy, the money, the recognition. Very few people want the dirt. I was talking I’m blessed to have coached a talent agent out in Hollywood from the mail room.

From the outside, people thinks this guy’s got it made. Big clients, big deals, Hollywood lifestyle, but people don’t realize this man, like I said, started in the mail room, literally carrying packages, doing grunt work, getting overlooked while learning the business from the ground floor up. Now he’s representing major talent.

Thank you there, Jimmy. But behind the scenes, he’s still grinding every single day, constant calls, constant pressure, constant uncertainty, reading scripts late at night while everybody else is scrolling social media, pretending they’re manifesting success. And one thing he told me that stuck out, he said, “Coach Ferg, people see the event.

They don’t see the preparation.” I was like, “Bingo.” That’s the world we live in right now. Everybody sees race day. Nobody sees the stable work. Nobody sees the conditioning. Nobody sees the repetition. Nobody sees the losses, the doubts, the adjustments, the discipline when motivation disappears. So listen carefully, squad, the separation is in the preparation.

If you keep chasing applause instead of [00:02:00] standards, you’ll burn out. But if you fall in love with the process, the boring reps, the uncomfortable conversations, the inconsistency, eventually people will call you lucky. And squad, again, goals are nothing but byproducts of your standards, so let’s keep those standards high.

And talk about keeping the standards high. No, most people, again, will never understand the level up session it takes to build winning racehorse. This next guest does, so I’m blessed to call him Sexy Nick. Born and raised in Jupiter, Florida, Nicholas Palmer grew up in the jujitsu mats at Harmony Martial Arts under Jim Campbell and Guy Scuderi, learning discipline, pressure, and how to stay calm in chaos long before he ever stepped foot on a racetrack.

After high school, he went in the film industry, working for HBO as a grip, but something bigger was calling him, so he walked away from that Hollywood w- world and headed to his family’s thoroughbred farm in Ocala. And that decision changed everything. What started as helping out on the farm turned into a full-blown obsession with developing elite racehorses.

Over the next eight years, his family operation produced eight graded stake winners from less than [00:03:00] 100 horses broke. And squad, in the horseracing world, those numbers are flat-out insane. We’re talking about a level of precision and eye for talent that most people in the industry spend their entire lives chasing and never reach.

Then Nick decided to stop developing champions for other people and step directly into the fire himself. Four years ago, became the trainer at the racetrack, one of the toughest, most cutthroat businesses in the world. Early mornings, massive pressure, big money, brutal losses, split-second decisions, and now he’s officially a winning trainer.

His horse, Liberty Rings, with his eyes locked on one target, the Breeders’ Cup World Championship at the legendary Keeneland racecourse in October, which that might change, which we’ll get into in the interview. Again, my guy Nick is chasing greatness in one of the hardest games on Earth, and he’s bringing the Jupiter grit with him every step of the way.

So squad, let’s give a warm welcome to my really good friend, Nick Palmer. Nick, thank you so much for coming on, brother. 

Nicholas Palmer: Thanks for having me. You- This is very exciting. 

Coach Fergie: This is awesome. What you’re doing is awesome. I’m blessed to see you quite a bit. You’re one of my, again, a Cabo buddy. We see each other kind of daily and just relax and shoot the you know what and [00:04:00] just have some awesome conversations.

But you know what? You went from working, kind of film sets to Thoroughbred racehorses. So what did your friends think when you basically traded how… ‘Cause squad, when you see a picture of this guy, we call him Sexy Nick for a reason, ’cause he’s, everybody’s “This guy is beautiful.

He could model on anything.” But what did your friends say when you walked away from that life into barns at 4:00 AM? 

Nicholas Palmer: Yeah … it was pretty surprising. I never really was supposed to stop working in film. I was really just supposed to be taking a two-week hiatus. Just going 

Coach Fergie: home to helping.

Nicholas Palmer: Yeah, pretty much just going home to hang out on the farm and spend time with family. And while I was there, there was a two-year-old in training sale going on at OBS which is in Ocala. So I went with my mom and checked out the sale, and I was just in shock of what people were buying these horses for just six months prior to them selling.

Coach Fergie: Sure. 

Nicholas Palmer: So I really just made a decision to kinda dedicate my life and devote my life to becoming the best horseman that I could be, first of all, and that led me to [00:05:00] breaking and training a lot of horses on our farm, continuing to do the two-year-old in training sales. Many of our horses went on to become champions, and, once I saw that, I thought I may as well go ahead and try to take it to the next level, sure. That’s what I did. I went and worked as as an assistant trainer for Armando de la Cerda. 

Coach Fergie: Danny Gargan, Saffie Joseph, all those legends, right? Danny Gargan, 

Nicholas Palmer: Saffie Joseph. Yeah. And then, finally, maybe a little bit before I was a little bit premature, but I finally went and started on my own, and I started with three horses, and now I’m training 20 horses.

Coach Fergie: Now I love that you brought that up, Nick. You, again, you worked your way up. Remember my little mail room thing earlier? Yes. I was talking about, through barns under the respective trainers like Danny Gargan, Saffie Joseph. What are some lessons you learned from being around the elite horsemen that still impact you today and how you train?

Nicholas Palmer: So a couple things. One thing that I really learned in this business that separates the men from the boys really is just hard work. It’s your work ethic, how much work you’re really wi- willing to put in, being hands-on with the [00:06:00] horses. It’s really good for me because I have a very good understanding of the grooming world, so I groomed horses for almost seven years for my mom while I was working on the farm, and I really got to learn things from the ground up.

So I’m able to communicate with them in a way that it makes sense to them because I’ve done what they do, and I’ve been able, been fortunate enough to find like-minded people, hire them, and keep them happy and keep them, I love to hear the stories, man. Yeah.

Coach Fergie: Squad, I’ve been blessed to have been brought out to owner suite, which was pretty cool, at Gulfstream there.

And just, you, again, you don’t see that behind the scenes part. I kinda tried to follow you in the stables. They’re like, “You’re not allowed back here.” But I was, like, watching you kinda do your thing. Yeah. Which, there’s massive money, massive pressure in that world, right? Yes. And there’s emotion tied to the horses.

How do you personally handle- The emotional swings of the sport from, huge wins to devastating losses. ‘Cause, one time I did go and it was Bad Henry. And I know Bad Henry I think has won three or four races. But the day we went he took- He [00:07:00] did not win that day … dead last. He did.

So it’s what, how do you handle that kind of pressure on the day-to-day knowing that… ‘Cause I see you amped up, dude. I don’t even go near you when the horse is about to race. Yeah. Like, how do you handle that, brother? 

Nicholas Palmer: Honestly, it’s, I’ve gotten much better at it over the years.

It used to really get to me on race days. You came with us to the owner’s suite, and they’ve got great food and drinks, and everybody’s having a good time, and I’d kinda be, not eating, not drinking- … not wanting to do anything. Just a little nervous wreck in the corner. ‘Cause 

Coach Fergie: Susan and I were just watching him like, “I’m not even approaching him right now.”

Yeah. So 

Nicholas Palmer: honestly, Scott, that’s just something that’s just come with time. Yeah. It’s just come with time and really getting to know the business and getting, really being able to set realistic expectations for each horse, each race. 

Coach Fergie: But 

Nicholas Palmer: It… But this is, the… 

Coach Fergie: Every race, though, is that same adrenaline, isn’t it?

It’s the same time. ‘Cause you’re like, “Did I feed him?” Same thing. The 9:00 AM feedings, is that what’s supposed to work? Stuff like that. Yes. And the formulas you guys put together. Yes. And s- talking about those formulas your family operation produce, again, eight [00:08:00] graded stake winners.

Which, again, explain to people what that is out there, please. 

Nicholas Palmer: So there’s different levels of racing. The highest caliber of racing are graded stakes races. So the Kentucky Derby, for example, is a Grade 1 stakes race, just like the Belmont and the Preakness. They have a class of race just below that which would be a Grade 2.

Still very prestigious, very hard to win. You’re racing against pretty much the best horses in the country. A step below that would be a Grade 3. Similar thing, but you might get a mix of horses trying to jump up in class into those races, so that’s why they are a little bit easier than the Grade 2 and the Grade 1.

Below that you have just a standard stake race, which typically those are really talented allowance-level horses or horses that have run in graded stakes and are kinda using that race as a prep race for another big race. And then underneath that you have the allowance and the starter ranks. 

Coach Fergie: Okay. 

Nicholas Palmer: So that’s kinda where the meat and potatoes is- Sure

[00:09:00] of horse racing. Most horses aren’t graded stakes caliber, but it, they can be very useful, be profitable. You can have a lot of fun with them at the allowance and starter ranks. 

Brian Mudd (Introduction): Sure. 

Nicholas Palmer: And then it goes down from there. So you have another class of race where they’re called claiming races where you can actually purchase the horse out of the race.

That’s where you’re 

Coach Fergie: bringing me to. Correct. In Saratoga. Correct. Yeah. 

Nicholas Palmer: Yes. So the, that starts from anywhere from 5,000. Those are pretty much the cheapest races in the country. They go all the way up to $120,000 claiming races. So obviously in the $120,000 claiming races you’ll run into much better horses.

But that’s kinda how it works. So there’s a condition book that each racetrack puts out. We as trainers, we have to go through the condition book, select races that fit our horses, and then prepare our horses accordingly. So if you know you have a race three weeks out, say it’s a mile race, you have three weeks that you can plan and train for that race.

Now, the race has to fill, so that means [00:10:00] that other trainers also have to enter into the race. Ah, so it has to 

Coach Fergie: have at least four or five horses, right? Correct. Gotcha. Correct. 

Nicholas Palmer: So there are many times where you can be training for a race, you get everything ready, and then all of a sudden the race doesn’t fill.

Sure. So you have to wait another month. So that’s where the mental swings come into the game. It’s the highest highs and the lowest lows. This past Saturday was the highest high. Few months ago- Yeah … I had a horse get hurt on the racetrack. That’s the lowest low. It’s just the way that it goes.

It’s a very mentally demanding sport. 

Coach Fergie: And there’s a lot of people that are, answering to the trainer- … to you. Yes. And before we go to break, I really wanna talk a little bit about the pushback you get with being 34- Yes … years old, and there’s the Chad Browns out there and stuff- Of course

that are established. Yes. But like, how when did people really start taking you seriously? 

Nicholas Palmer: Oh, man. You 

Coach Fergie: know what I’m saying? ‘Cause people are probably like, “This kid,” 

Nicholas Palmer: Yes. Yes. I think people really started taking me seriously a couple years ago. I had a horse win first time out as a [00:11:00] two-year-old going two turns on the turf course, and it’s historically pretty difficult to get a horse ready to win their first race going two turns.

So I think after that, I think people kinda saw that this kid, might know what he’s doing. And then we’ve continued to… i’ve had many horses run in stakes races and place. I’ve been second, I’ve been third many times prior to this past Saturday. But this past Saturday really put us on the 

Coach Fergie: map.

That text- That text that I got, I was like that, that’s major. Which w- after the break, we’re gonna really jump into that with Liberty Rings, and then what your plans are for him. Sure. So and squad, we’re gonna send it to my awesome sauce sponsor, Steve Austin with Rise Mortgage to give us a little mortgage nugget and an update for the Palm Beaches.

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Coach Fergie: Hey, Steve-O. Thank you so much for the market update.

And I guess with the new Fed chairman taking over this week, hopefully we’ll see some good, but maybe not. We’ll see what happens. But again, we’re back with my good friend horse trainer, r- rockstar horse trainer now- … nick Palmer. But, Nick, horse racing, we see it on TV, it’s glamorous.

I’ll tell you what, I’m, y- I’m like that guy there in the Kentucky [00:14:00] Derby and then the Preakness and the Belmont. I’m glued, right? And I’m glued to the under races or, whatever you guys call them. It looks really glamorous on there. Yes. But behind the scenes it’s gotta be brutal, which we touched on earlier.

But what’s something about this business that the average person would never underst- never understand unless they lived 

Nicholas Palmer: it? Oh, man. So something about this business that the average person would never understand is that- There is literally a village of people behind each horse. So every horse is born- And Baffert out 

Coach Fergie: there, but he’s got 100 people, right?

Nicholas Palmer: Chair- There are 100 people work starts before the sun’s come, the, before the sun comes up, seven days a week for these guys. They start at 4:00, 4:00 in the morning. They work until 12:30. They go home, take a little break. They come back in the afternoon. They’re feeding the horses, walking the horses, take care, taking care of whatever ailments the horse may have.

What people don’t realize is how hard it is to win a horse race at any [00:15:00] level. At the bottom all the way up to the grade one- Sure … stakes races. So many things have to go right. You’ve been a friend of mine now for years, and there’s been many times where you’ve, I’ve brought a race up to you and you said, “Hey Nick, how’d that race go?”

And I say, “Oh, the jockey messed up.” Or- Sure … “The horse did we had a bad trip.” Or the weather, it rained and the race came off the grass, so we have to run on a different surface. So it’s kinda horse, training race horses a, is a lot like jujitsu in a way- … where you kinda really just have to go with the flow.

Take what it gives you. Exactly. You take what they give you and you try to use it to your advantage. How much of the blow’s back on you though, being the trainer? Because- All of it. Okay. All the bad stuff falls onto the trainer. Okay. All, every, anything bad that happens, any mistake a jockey makes, any time a horse gets hurt, any time a horse runs poorly, it all falls onto the trainer.

Coach Fergie: So like I know you the because of our jujitsu background, it’s like we can, we’re pretty chill until we’re not. Correct. What does it take for you to get to a point? I’ve never seen it in you, that, that’s the thing. Yeah. Whether it’s the mats or whatever, I’ve never seen you [00:16:00] get amped up.

If you, would, give me, is there a time that you don’t mind sharing you got a little amped up more than usual? 

Nicholas Palmer: Yeah. Yeah, there is. I had a horse, cheap horse, but I loved her. And I had a jockey on her named Paco Lopez, who is a champion jockey, internationally known. A legend, yeah. He’s a legend.

He’s ridden for my family for years, won big races for us. He’s, has a personal rapport with my mother. Anyways, so I put him on this horse. He wins by eight lengths, wire to wire. Never, the horse never even got a speck of dirt on her. I enter her back in three weeks later. Same kinda race. Now sh- now that she had won the race prior, she t- takes a small step up in class where she’s facing horses that have also won two races but still in for a tag.

He goes out, she goes right to the lead like she normally does, he sits on her, and at the top of the stretch he looks over his shoulder. Nobody’s near him. He looks over his shoulder a second time, and then he just decides to just stop riding my horse. He kinda wraps up on her and [00:17:00] lets the rest of the horses catch him and loses.

And that was the first time that I ever got really angry- … at a horse race. I’ve had many heartbreaking moments at horse races- And that’s 

Coach Fergie: gonna come. 

Nicholas Palmer: Yeah.

Coach Fergie: Of 

Nicholas Palmer: course. 

Coach Fergie: So- You got beat, you get beat. But this is almost not, I’m not gonna say it’s deliberate, but it was “Listen, dude, like you 

Nicholas Palmer: know better, right?”

E- exactly. Okay. And so I went out there. And, a- after every race we always meet the jockeys on the racetrack. We hose the horse off, and we have a little conversation with the jockeys as they walk back to get ready for their next race. And man I lost it. Kinda lost it, huh? Yeah, I lost it. I let him have it.

And I, since I’ve apologized to him. Still a friend of mine. We’ll still ride races and win races and lose races and, 

Coach Fergie: how about looking at the horse? Like, when you’re starting to see him at the claim races. You’re with me, ’cause you know we’re gonna work together. Yes. We already agreed.

It’s all inked up and stuff like that. But when you’re looking at stuff with that, like what are the subtle things that you see that tell you, “Hey this horse has, a chance”? 

Nicholas Palmer: Yeah. So a lot of times horses you can see in their [00:18:00] pedigree where they may favor the turf, they may favor the dirt, they may favor going short, they may favor going long.

And a lot of times trainers that are training horses at the lower levels, it’s more of a numbers game for them, they miss those things. So you can find angles in horses where you see the horses run five races consecutively on the synthetic and it has been beat each time dramatically. You can look back in the horse’s history, it may have changed hands several times, and see that, “Oh man, back two years ago this horse ran on the dirt and it ran the best race of its life.

Why haven’t these people tried to run this horse back on the dirt?” So that’s one angle. Another angle is knowing the connections, knowing the trainers, knowing the owners. Do these owners, are they willing to spend the money with the vet to treat the horse properly? To give the horse what it really needs.

Shout out to Louis Castro too. Yes. My, my client Louis 

Coach Fergie: Castro, he’s one of the best veterinarians that, horse veterans. He’s one of the best that 

Nicholas Palmer: there is. Yeah. Yeah. So that’s a big angle, because [00:19:00] a lot of people try to do this cheap, and this is not a sport that you can do. The, properly you can’t do it cheap.

It’s not cheap. You have to take your time. You have to put the work in. You have to find what’s wrong. Sure. It’s a living machine. It’s a living machine. It’s 

Coach Fergie: Like tremendous machine. Ex- exactly. Like the Secretariat in 1973. And they can’t talk 

Nicholas Palmer: to you. So you have to figure it out.

You have to have a very good relationship with your rider. You have to trust in what they tell- Sure … the feedback that they give you. It’s very important to have a good relationship with a good veterinarian that’s proactive and that is like-minded, and it’s also v- detrimental. It can be detrimental to a lot of trainers to have a bad farrier.

You have to have everything with horses starts at the ground and goes up. Goes straight up. You have to take good care of their feet. The farrier is someone that’s, it’s almost sleeping with the horse, 

Coach Fergie: kinda like super close to it. Yes. Taking care of it. O- they are 

Nicholas Palmer: there day in and day out. Yeah.

They’re just a phone call away. Yeah. Yeah. 

Coach Fergie: So yeah, I think his name was Eddie that was Secretariat’s the farrier. I… [00:20:00] Excellent. So talk about this race last Saturday. Yeah. Liberty Rings. I always love getting texts from you and stuff. Yeah. “Hey, Fergie, look at this.” And I was like, “I saw.” I’m proud of you, man.

Thank you. This is amazing. But tell me about the race and what’s next for Liberty Rings. 

Nicholas Palmer: Yeah. So this past weekend Gulfstream Park, every year they host a race called the Royal Palm Beach Juvenile, and it’s a s- it’s a split. It’s two different races. They have a boy division, a colts division, and they have a girl division, a filly division.

So I actually had two entrants this weekend. I had one… I had a filly run against the boys, and then I had Liberty Rings run against the girls. The filly that ran against the boys shipped down with Liberty Rings and has been her training partner, ever since I received them from the farm. She wasn’t really quite ready to run, but we decided to take a shot with her because horses, it was so early in the two-year-old year.

A lot of horses in the race had never run before. Yeah. They may be regally bred. They may have sold for a lot of money at the sale. But you really don’t know what you have until those gates open. [00:21:00] So I had very high hopes for Liberty Rings because of the way I saw her handle my other horses. Gotcha. She toys with my other horses.

Really? Yes. It’s… Honestly, it’s something to see. It… The race is something to see. Yeah. Like- Yeah … i’ve had jockeys come out and work in company with Liberty Rings and tell me afterwards, “I was on the other horse, but I could not take my eyes off of Liberty Rings.” Of Liberty? Yeah. She is that impressive.

All that being said, they got shipped in. Our plan was always to target this race. I was able to get one race in for Liberty Rings prior to her running this past Saturday. She ran four and a half furlongs against the boys, where she was beaten by half a length. Had the race been five furlongs, she probably would’ve won by- Sure

four or five lengths ’cause she was m- mowing them down at the end. And that race really encouraged me going into the stake race because I felt like I really had a [00:22:00] horse that wanted to be a racehorse. Sure. And I felt like at this stage she was just that much better than everybody else. It’s very hard to get a horse ready to run In May Sure early May.

Right So it was- You ran her So we, we decided to run her, and man, she did not disappoint. She didn’t. She broke sharp, she hit the front, and her jockey, Miguel Vasquez, he was not losing that 

Coach Fergie: race. No, it was so awesome to watch. Just, a- and, it, at the end, the announcer’s “And going to Royal Ascot,” stuff like this.

Yes. Yeah. So you kinda told me off mic- Yeah … we only got about 34 minutes left. Yeah But can you tell us quickly if she’s going or not? Yeah. 

Nicholas Palmer: So after a really hard-fought battle with a lot of different people, a lot of different people involved, we decided that we’re gonna bypass going to Royal Ascot.

And Squad, real quick, 

Coach Fergie: this is racing in front of the Queen of England. Yeah. Okay. So what okay. Can you- Can you share why or is it- Sure … okay. 

Nicholas Palmer: So yeah, the Royal Ascot meeting’s [00:23:00] probably one of the most prestigious meetings in the entire world. We decided to bypass it because for two reasons. The first reason being that the races over there are all grass, and I know this past race was grass as well, but we do not believe that she’s a grass horse.

We believe that she’s gonna excel on the dirt. And I’ve kinda mapped out a plan for her. Some people get into this business to to just make money. Some people get into it to run in big races. We’re in this business to win big races. Sure Period. That’s why we do it. That’s what we’re here for.

So our plan with Liberty Rings, and I know it’s a ways out, and it’s wishful thinking, and a million things have to go right to get us there, but we’re willing to take the chance. So- The BC, huh? The plans for her to go to the Debutante at Churchill Downs. Right on. And that’s a six-furlong dirt race.

After that, she’ll most likely make her way up to Saratoga Springs, New York- … and run in a- another two-year-old stake race there. And then hopefully after that [00:24:00] we can go straight to the Breeders’ Cup at Keeneland. Beautiful. And that’ll put her at three years old, right? She’ll still be two. Still, she’ll be- She’ll still be two

still be two. Yeah. 

Coach Fergie: Excellent. Man, that, that’s just amazing, Nick. So I ask every one of my guests this, and like I, I wanna know you, especially with you being a little bit younger at 34, but how does Nick want his dash remembered? That little line in between your incarnation date and your expiration date, your life date and death date.

Hopefully it’s a gajillion years down the line, but on your tombstone, how does Nick want his dash remembered? 

Nicholas Palmer: Honestly, I just wanna be remembered as somebody that loves my family. Yeah, dude. My family’s everything to me. I would not be here. I definitely wouldn’t be training racehorses- Shout out to Nicky Jr.

and Lucy … yes. And I’m just so grateful to be able to have all this fun with my family and kinda pay them back for all the- It is cool hanging out with your family, too. They’re awesome It’s amazing, man.

Coach Fergie: Generosity, one, which, I never expect that, but it was… They’re generous, they’re nice, they’re approachable, they’re really good, man.

They’re good people. They’re just awesome people. And so we can find you at Palmer Thoroughbreds is, is- Yes … your company, and then also Winner [00:25:00] Circle- 

Nicholas Palmer: Winner Circle Thoroughbreds as well … thoroughbreds.com. Correct. 

Coach Fergie: Got that. And can I share your number in case somebody wants- Yeah, absolutely … okay, it’s Nick’s number to reach him, again, it’s Palmer Thoroughbreds LLC, but his number is 561-406-3967.

Again, 561-406-3967. And leave us, Nick, with one last knowledge nugget that the guests can take with them, internalize, and take action on that will help them level up their thinking. 

Nicholas Palmer: Work harder than everybody else. 

Coach Fergie: I love it. Love it. Just leave it at that. And squad, thank you so much for tuning in. Nick, thank you so much for coming in.

It’s just awesome. Thank you to my producer, Brian Mudd, to WJNO. Go out and have a great weekend. Absolutely love your gut squad. Huge shout-out to the troops out there 

that are overseas.