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Unknown Speaker  0:11  

Time to shine today podcast varsity squad. This is Scott Ferguson I got a major major treat for you today. My good buddy sports scientists psychologist performance coach is all about breathe believe in balance, my boy Shyamal and we had a fantastic conversation I literally had like four pages of notes, knowledge nuggets, this guy drops with regards to taking someone out of a slump finding their consistency, flexing their banker’s muscles. I’m getting way ahead of myself, but he has an awesome, awesome free giveaway at the end of this episode, so make sure you listen for what to put into any comments or links. So without further ado, here comes my really good friend Shay. Awesome sports scientist psychologist performance coach. Let’s level the shine today podcast varsity squad, Scott Ferguson and today we’re going to be talking all about healing the body and mind science and spirituality. This is a huge, huge get for time to shine today. I got my good friend Shamal valla VA lab G I’m the last time I’m going to say his last name, but it’s his Shama. He’s an author of a kick ass book, breathe, believe the guide to self discovery and healing. And if you wait to the end, I’m going to have a book giveaway in the shallows overseas, but I’m gonna see if there’s a way I can get as John Hancock on the book so I can mail it out to the lucky listener. Shamil is a sports scientist with a double Master’s in clinical and organizational psychology. He’s worked in the capacity of a high performance coach to elite athletes, sports teams and executives for more than two decades Shambles work and peak performance and flow states. Ben blends evidence based sports science, behavioral psychology, ancestral wisdom. The guy is super smart, but he’s also super laid back. Super personable, fantastic communicator. It’s what I strive to be every day is the man that I’m interviewing right now and Shama welcome time to shine today. Podcast, if you don’t mind, introduce yourself to the time shine to the podcast squad. But first, what’s your favorite color, and why?

Unknown Speaker  2:14  

My favorite color is blue. It reminds me of the sky, it reminds me of the ocean. And it brings that sense of calm, that we all need to remember and bring to the forefront of our mind in every single situation. So for me, yeah, so blue is calm. But Scotty, thank you so much for having me on time to shine, I’m really, really excited to be here. as well. I’m a sports scientist. I’m a psychologist, I’m the person who sort of helps athletes shatter the glass ceiling psychologically, physiologically, and I’ve been doing this for 20 years. So I’m hoping that over the next 20 odd minutes, we get to peel away the layers or some of the secrets that I’ve got, I can learn something from you guys, you can learn from me. And we can come together and support each other in this journey of growth.

Unknown Speaker  3:04  

Also, so what did your family think then about your, your choice to kind of go into what you’re doing right now with the origins of this?

Unknown Speaker  3:14  

So it’s difficult for me, I mean, you started with a really sensitive subject, because I’m South African and I grew up in South Africa during the Apollo, I asked this. So and it was a time when my family were Indians didn’t really know how to support anyone. The apartheid was institutionalized segregation of people of color. And I know in America, that subject is rife, and in the front of everyone’s awareness all of the time, you’re battling social justice, movements, black empowerment, everyday. And that’s the ecosystem I grew up in. My parents didn’t know how to support me. That’s the long and short of it. They didn’t know what to do financially, psychologically, psychologically, they when it was way out of their comfort zone to even contemplate what to do, which was what made that journey even more difficult for me, because they were always trying to veer me towards status quo, what they knew, I was trying to listen to my heart and go with my passion and go with what I love. And in taking the decision of going my way, I isolated them and isolated myself from them. So it was a very, very dark time, a very difficult time. It taught me to stand on my own feet, the apartheid, and I have a very beautiful relationship. For the first 10 years of my life. It caused me so much of pain, it was not even funny. I changed my career multiple times because I was unable to grapple with the pain of the party. But it’s after 20 years that I realized that it also instilled in me a work ethic that’s second to none. And I think every person of color anywhere in the world knows that no matter what job you’re in, whether you’re in finance for the banking, whether you’re sport within education, you seem to have to do just a little but more to show up and get the same opportunity. And that’s the work ethic that I’m talking about the discrimination does.

Unknown Speaker  5:08  

And so happy that you brought it up in such a tender way that you did it, because it’s a lot that’s going across not only our country, but other countries, it’s really not brought to the forefront. What do you think well makes a great coach in your line of performance. And in psychology,

Unknown Speaker  5:29  

I think the fundamental thing of a great coach is, the first thing is obviously, you need to be competent in what he’s doing. So let’s leave that aside. But second thing is he needs to instill a level of comfort in the athlete or in the recipient or in the mentee, or whoever it is, there has to be a level of comfort in there, the coach has to instill confidence in you. If the coach doesn’t make sure that you can rise up to the challenge and take on what you’re trying to do, then he’s in the wrong job. You don’t need to be working with that person. Right? Okay. So comfort is there competencies there, you’re looking at, there needs to be a level of consistency in that messaging that’s coming through. You need to build trust, fundamentally, the coach athlete relationship is based on a foundation of trust. And the reason I say this is because Scott, every single day of my life, I’ve got to do one thing, I’ve got to take my athlete, right up to a point where he’s Self confidence is so high, it’s bordering on arrogance. The reason we got to do that is because if you don’t have that level of self confidence, you can’t go in when something with a margin of error is 100 of a second. But straight after you’re done there, you got to come right down to the ground. Because Humility is the foundation of learning. You’ve got to say to yourself, that’s done. How do I wipe the board clean? And how do I learn right now. So the coach’s job, is to understand how to manipulate your energies in such a way that you show up in the best way possible when you need to. And you park the ego aside and you learn from wherever you have to when you need. That is the relationship of a coach to be able to do that. It’s the coach athlete relationship is the best way to describe it is a it’s a dance in a dance. Both people are giving and both people are taking and you need to feel it. Now there is no set formula. So the coach relationship is a dance of trust.

Unknown Speaker  7:39  

Yes, sir. Absolutely. So, slumps are huge in sports and whatnot. And I’m blessed enough to be able to coach a couple major league baseball players, whatnot. I’m curious how I found in my there’s blind spots found in the slumps, okay, how to approach the athlete when they are going through a slump?

Unknown Speaker  8:04  

Well, this is an interesting thing. Every single person has to have certain elements of their repertoire that are consistent things that they can fall back on. These are called your banker’s things that you know, in your sleep in depression, anytime you are asked to do it, you can do it. When you hit a slump. That’s what you fall back on, you fall back on your bankers, slumps is the time for minimal experimentation. Because experimentation brings uncertainty, it brings panic, it can upset you. So when athletes are going to the slump, the first thing we do is we go through our bank of data, our bank of records, we say, Okay, what is it that we can fall back on? What is it that has given us success previously, let us now flex that muscle of consistency in that element. Let’s get that that real of success going, let’s get that real of confidence going. Before we try anything. There’s a beautiful piece of research called the sigmoid curve, which applies to military and it also applies very, very strongly to sport. The sigmoid curve says that every single skill that you have has a shelf life. Okay? That means that it’s going to last a specific point of time. And you’re going to have to tweak that skill at some point to increase that shelf life in some shape and form. So what athletes do is we tweak our skill, not when we losing, but we tweak it when we winning, because the gap between one and two is greatest when you’re winning, not when you’re losing. So what do you do as a takeaway for all the listeners, what do you do? Experiment most when you have the confidence to try new things when you’re winning? And if you’re hitting it, if you’re getting a slump? That is a time you need to be super diligent on the key skills that are banking that you are bankers, your mastery elements, and more important than that, when you’re in a slump, you need to be clinical with the people you spend your time with. You need to carve away everyone and surround yourself with people that are going to reinforce those skills. Reinforce your mindset to help you to sort of propel yourself out of that. When you’re in a slump. The mindset of getting out of that is the most important thing. Most people make the mistake of experimenting and fishing for ideas, going from one teacher to another trying out different things. That is a recipe for disaster.

Unknown Speaker  10:39  

Yes, I 100% go back kind of to your basics, your foundation, what got you there while you’re slumping. And I love you know, some had really never thought about it. It’s terrible that I haven’t, but you make your tweaks and you kind of you do it. And when you’re at the top of the game, like the baseball players when that ball is coming in, or even cricket and your example, your your lifestyle, the when the ball looks like a beach ball, when they’re just hitting everything right and doing what they want with it, then they can make the tweaks I love. I just learned that’s a huge knowledge now you just dropped brother. And I really appreciate you saying that. So you have strengths in your game? You know, Shama what, how much? How? To what extent do you appreciate your strengths?

Unknown Speaker  11:23  

I appreciate my strengths. phenomenally, I’m a cutie aware of it. And my strengths also highlight my vulnerabilities. And it allows me to show up from a vulnerable state. So for example, one of my key strengths is I can understand the signals of performance, I’m great with data. What I’m not great with is the management of the entire system around that. So I lead with my vulnerability, I tell people listen, right? I can bring x to the table, but I can’t deliver it, why I’m going to fall short in this area. So how can you help me this so that we can both be successful? And I think when you are a acutely aware of what you can deliver, right you are and you’re able to lead with vulnerability, that vulnerability is no more a sign of weakness, that vulnerability becomes a sign of strength as well. Why? Because it’s hedged on the confidence of what you’re able to deliver.

Unknown Speaker  12:19  

That goes right back to your humility statement to you know, what you had said about being humble, is when you can actually pick up the next step, or especially if you’re kind of going down a bad rabbit hole.

Unknown Speaker  12:32  

Hey, Scott, let me give you this is a beautiful piece of literature from Indian scripture called the Bhagavad Gita. Our listeners can go and check it out. Chapter 18, verse 14, the Bhagavad Gita of everyone listening, I’m going to give you a very 32nd synopsis. It’s a conversation between God Lord, Krishna, and Arjuna, just before battle takes place in Seminar, it’s 700 verses, and he explains the essence of life. But chapter 18, verse 14, he gives people a beautiful nugget, he says, the five reasons why someone will be successful, you will have to be the right person for the job. Okay, that’s non negotiable. The second thing is, the right person has to be in the right place to execute that skill. The third reason is the right person has to be in the right place, but he has to have available to him the right tools and instruments to do his job. Okay. The fourth thing is that the right person has to be in the right place with the right tools, but he has to put in the right amount of effort, because you could be the best person in the best place with the best equipment, or if you’re not prepared to work hard, successful, not happen. So God is sending Arjuna these are four things that are in your control. And he says there’s a fifth thing that people ignore. And that’s destiny. That’s luck. That is all of that invisible energy that you did nothing about, that helped that opportunity manifest, someone noticed you who you didn’t even know noticed you, someone dropped a piece of wisdom, a piece of Instagram content came into your purview, which all of a sudden dropped a pearl of wisdom. Now, the fifth element is destiny. Now why is he saying this? He tells him, what is humanity we use this word so strongly. Humility is the ability of a person to recognize the fifth variable in their success. Wow, go ego. Ego is an inability to recognize the fifth variable in your success. So if you think you got a big ego, the reason why you have a big ego and is because all you’re doing is you’re thinking I’m the right person. I’m working really hard. I’ve got the great tool II and you’re unable to see that in all of those eyes. Some invisible magic was a play that brought it all together

Unknown Speaker  14:56  

in squad go back to January 6. Go to visit to Shambles Facebook fan page which will be in the show notes. He what he’s talking about right now. It says that when it was only when I stripped away the need to show up and brace allow the world to bear vulnerable state that this information finally become wisdom. And that is just exactly what he said. So this is a guy that walks the walk talks to talk and does it on in tune. That’s right now those knowledge nuggets he just dropped. Hope you took some frickin notes because that was just pure, pure hustle muscle right there. That’s fantastic. So Shama, let me ask you something that you’ve you’ve seen the movie Back to the Future? Yes. Okay. Let’s get that glory with Marty McFly. Man. Let’s, let’s go back to double deuce 22 year old Shaman. Okay, what kind of knowledge nuggets that we call him here? What kind of knowledge nuggets? Are you dropping on the 22 year old shaman that maybe will help him level up, break through or shorten that learning curve? Just a little bit?

Unknown Speaker  16:00  

Yeah, the first and most important nugget. And I’m sorry that I’m going to speak from the lens of a person of color. Sure. The one thing that I struggled with my whole life, Scott was that because I came from a background of discrimination and disadvantage, I always felt that I wasn’t good enough. And I had to do more. I always thought that to have another degree. And to have another hour of experience, I had to find another mentor it another duality. And the truth is that all of the knowledge that you need, everything you need is already with you. Right? You can learn on the job. There’s nothing wrong with growing and learning as it is. And I self sabotage my own growth for a decade by thinking I wasn’t good enough. And I needed to do more to show up. The first thing I would tell my 22 year old self is that, yes, you will learn every single day of your life. But you’re good enough to start right now. Yeah. Change the self talk. I tell people every day you are where you are. Because of the self talk. You tell yourself? Yes. Whether you are flying or whether you are stuck, it comes down to the words you use. Yes, a single day. Yes, you.

Unknown Speaker  17:07  

Because, you know, you’re never going to succeed 100% of the time, you know, positive thinking doesn’t work 100% of time. But what does work? 100% of the time is negative thinking period. And so when you have that self talk that’s there. That’s amazing. It’s funny use red X I’m rereading Chad homesteaders what you say when you talk yourself, like literally right now I read at the beginning every year. It was written in 1982. But it’s just again, it works up the self talk when I said thank you for saying that brother. So some how do you want your dash? Remember that little line in between your incarnation date and your expiration that your life taking that day? On a tombstone? if you will? How do you want that little dash remember,

Unknown Speaker  17:52  

I would love my dash to be remembered as someone who showed up with kindness and compassion. Someone who gave off 100% And someone who never forgot the people behind them every step he took forward. That’s what I would like my dash to

Unknown Speaker  18:09  

do. And you’re gonna slide across home plate literally bumped and bruised, but you’re gonna be taking a whole squad of people that really helps you level up, man. That’s awesome. So what do you think people misunderstand the most about Shaman?

Unknown Speaker  18:26  

I think the thing that misunderstand is that because I’m a performance coach, I sign tend to tend to be sometimes a little hard. In my approach, I tend to be very data driven and very distinct. But, and the element my journey for 22 is to bring the softness more to the front and lead with the heart, not with the head. My journey for the last 10 years has been rationalizing everything. And I read a beautiful quote by the American Indians that said the longest journey a person who will embark on his journey from the head to the heart. Yes. So scoring. That’s where I am right now. I am hoping to wipe the slate clean of the old Sharma and be the new Sharma that teaches performance from the heart. Right teachers performance, that soft performance, that’s kind performance that’s filled with love, and not necessarily performance that needs top everyone needs to get ahead, stand on someone else’s shoulders. Don’t sacrifice family don’t You don’t have to hustle 24/7 There’s a level of contentment that comes with love and kindness. And that’s the performance coach I want to be that’s the journey that I’m on right now.

Unknown Speaker  19:32  

Wow level of contentment that comes with loving kindness. That’s I’m writing that down that because I am that guy. I’m people sent to me for high performance and I’m the rah rah and I’m really am looking so I’ll be 50 in February. And I’m really really looking as for the second half of my life, to have more of that to have be able to talk to any client because I would always say I made this There’s the right horse for every course with clients, right? And if it didn’t work for me, with time to shine today, I did 300 interviews with coaches and I can pass them on. But you know what I want to challenge myself now you just said that to work, you know with that contentment, love and kindness. Thank you for bringing that up, man, you’re really touching the heart today. Thank you so much. So, Shawn, what keeps you up at night?

Unknown Speaker  20:22  

The last few nights over the last couple of months, the thing that’s been keeping me up is my state of mental being, you know, but that, and I’ve been really vulnerable. You know, my avatar of a performance coach always lead, I always lead from that thinking I need to show up in a certain way. Every time I was facing grief, I parked my grief aside, and I tried to show up for everyone else. And I struggled to find the balance between owning my own grief and showing up for someone else. Now, I even wrote a book on balance. But now I’m trying to live balance. I’m trying to honor every emotion I feel but still honor and respect how I show up for everyone else. The thing that’s keeping me up at night is understanding how to honor every single thing that’s core to me how to bring it to the forefront, and still be the person that shows up in the way that the world receives it. Because I think the world is so marketing and PR orientated, that we force ourselves to push forward and avatar that we think the world needs, and the world reciprocates with. And now for me, the thing that’s keeping me up at night is the reconditioning of my mind to teach the world that, you know, don’t judge a book by its cover, you know, look for the strength in every single look for the strength and softness. You know, it’s, it’s the drop of water over time, that will erode an entire rock. Right, but one drop is soft. But it’s the consistency of softness that breaks everything. And that’s what I’m trying to bring forward. The thing that’s keeping me up at night is how can I be consistently soft enough, so that one day I’m able to shatter the rock, hard beliefs that are taking people in the wrong direction?

Unknown Speaker  22:18  

Wow, that’s that you were getting really deep this year. Seems like you might have went through a lot of growth over the past year, even though you’ve been doing this for 2025 years. That’s fantastic. So let’s take out of this equation, any laptop, anything electronical What are three things Shama can’t live without,

Unknown Speaker  22:40  

I can’t live without my breath work in the morning. It’s my stillness. I can’t live without my chanting, and my meditation practice of just, you know, mantra chanting, because these are mantras that are passed down to my gurus. So that very, very, and the thing that I cannot live with, is right now, I cannot live with wood connections, or a disrupted relationship with family. I invest energy every single day I speak to my parents every day, I speak to my brothers every day. And because I keep telling someone in a scholarly journals, I work with some big seals and big athletes and I tell people, the first thing I coach people come to me as a performance coach, I don’t even look at your body. I don’t even look at your mindset. I don’t I look at your family relationships. I said, because my job is to make you the number one in the world. And when you get to number one in the world, and you’re standing on a stage with 100,000 people looking at you, at the back of your mind, you don’t want to be thinking that I disregarded my own family to get here. Wow, that will eat you up alive. So the first thing we will do is we’re going to we’re going to heal your family we’re going to make sure that you make every effort to do it and if it’s not reciprocated, that’s fine but it should not stop with you. Right family is vitally important in how you show up and and that’s something I invest a lot of energy in and these are things that I don’t want to ever lose.

Unknown Speaker  24:09  

I’m really sharing that vulnerability with the squad time to shine today podcast firstly spot we’re back with my awesome sauce friend, coach, author speaker High Performance Coach Shama here and shall we are going to take you through our leveling up lightning round you and I literally could talk two hours on each one of these questions, but But you got five seconds to answer. Okay. Okay, so like eight 910 actually threw a couple more in for you. But we got just eight or 910 10 questions and just answer them they all can be answered that quick, but with no explanations. You ready to rock? It? Ready? Go. All right, let’s level up. What’s the best leveling up advice Shama has ever received.

Unknown Speaker  24:50  

express gratitude at all times.

Unknown Speaker  24:52  

Love it, share one of your personal habits that contributes to your success,

Unknown Speaker  24:57  

sleeping on time every single day

Unknown Speaker  24:59  

because It’s something I’m working on as well. So you see me man, like Fergie man, he looks like he’s in his doldrums man he’s walking he’s slumped is he’s just not there other than your book. What book would you hand?

Unknown Speaker  25:13  

Seven Habits of Highly Effective.

Unknown Speaker  25:15  

Covey Love it. Love it. Love it. Love it. What’s your most commonly used emoji when you’re taxed? Hot? Hard. Love it. Any nicknames growing up?

Unknown Speaker  25:25  

Veg. That’s really vengeful vegetarian.

Unknown Speaker  25:29  

I love it. Love it. Do you make any new year’s resolutions?

Unknown Speaker  25:33  

No resolutions?

Unknown Speaker  25:36  

Yeah, best compliment you ever received?

Unknown Speaker  25:40  

You always show up with kindness. Yes,

Unknown Speaker  25:42  

that’s true. From what I know, you know, chess or checkers. Checkers. Love it. And thank you. I thought you’re gonna say that’s for sure. And I’m a checkers guy too. What’s your favorite charity in organization like to give your time or money to?

Unknown Speaker  25:57  

And would Escalon so Food For Life where we offer food to people underprivileged, that we sell more than more than a million plates a day.

Unknown Speaker  26:07  

Love that. Thank you for doing that. Don’t get that in the show notes, please. Thank you. Awesome. Last question. You can elaborate on this one Shama, but what is the best decade of music? 6070s 80s or 90s?

Unknown Speaker  26:20  

I’m gonna have to say 80s.

Unknown Speaker  26:22  

Can you hold? Are you do you mind me asking?

Unknown Speaker  26:24  

I’m 42. Okay, so

Unknown Speaker  26:26  

we’re in the same genre. All right. So let me ask, let me ask you this. Could if you could go back and be physically to lie to me on this or my friend. If you can be physically one age for the rest of your life, keep the wisdom you garnered and continue to gain wisdom. What age would you stay physically?

Unknown Speaker  26:47  

Right now I would pick the current age.

Unknown Speaker  26:50  

Okay. 42 is good age. I say. I say 3435. You know, because I could get out of bed and be you know, cuz I’m on my Ashtanga mat. You know, for mornings Yeah, I do what I need to do, but it just was a lot easier to do it. If I knew I could just be keep going. I love it. I love it. So how do we find your brother?

Unknown Speaker  27:10  

Hey, you can find me on Instagram at Charmel s h Aya m a l and then they all links to everything there I’ve got a you can subscribe to lovely newsletter that I put out every single Thursday where I give you a story from sport with a lesson that you can learn from it a digital toolkit and journal prompt which I’m using for that week. So break it down. Then obviously I have a few videos on YouTube and Twitter. So you can you can you can catch me on pretty much any social media platform and I respond to messages so yeah, excellent. Be time. Everyone should be kinda or negativity.

Unknown Speaker  27:50  

Yes, I love that. Yes, be kind people when you’re in the threads. And so he wrote a book called Breathe belief, a guide to self discovery and healing. It looks like it came back during the lockdowns during COVID and whatnot. It’s great book to bring out fan thank you for doing that, Sean Well, I haven’t got a squat. Usually I read the books before but like a dum dum. I didn’t on this one. But I am going to buy it today and get it read and we were gonna do a giveaway. If you put in any of the social comments, Instagram, Pinterest, LinkedIn, anywhere breath is life. I’m going to figure out a way just put breath is life. I’m going to find we’ll find a way for for Shama to autograph it to you, and we’ll get it mailed out. I’ll purchase the book of Shama, you can just find a way to get postage on it, mail it out. That’d be awesome, man.

Unknown Speaker  28:39  

Hey, Scotty, we can do one thing. I will. You’ll get me an address. And I’ll send three copies signed from my side. Which way to go? Thank you, man. Yeah, you know, so the three signed copies coming from my side. And that doesn’t include your copy. So don’t worry, a signed copy for you. So yeah, so give me an address and to the listeners, three people who comment in whatever shape and form that you want to get.

Unknown Speaker  29:03  

Thank you so much, man. I’m super grateful for that. And Shawn, can you do me a favor that kept you a little long here, but can you please leave us with one last Knowledge Nugget you want us to take with us internalize and take action on?

Unknown Speaker  29:16  

Yeah, there’s something called the bannister effect in sport which I always talk about the bannister effect was when Roger Bannister broke the four minute mile I think in 1964, two months after that it was broken again. So my advice to everyone is no matter what you want in life, look for one person who’s already done it because there’s a good chance someone’s already done. And when you look at them, be grateful for them because they’ve shown you that it can be done. Let their achievement inspire you let it bring gratitude into your life and let you know that whatever you want to do is not impossible. It’s been done and you are going to be one of many people are going to get there.

Unknown Speaker  29:56  

I love that you say that because I do At some time on Earth, whether it was back in the Greek Olympics or some other times, someone blew away a four minute mile. You know what I’m saying to say it probably happened just was never documented. Once it was documented, that mindset just goes, thank you, thank you for saying that and be grateful for the people that attained because a lot of people will become haters in a sense for someone to accomplish something, instead of being grateful for it. I mean, there’s people that I compete with in my business, and once I started being grateful for them, it was it man, I my whole life leveled up, and think, you know, thank you for putting that out there and squat, we literally literally just got a free coaching class, from my good friend Shama here who, you know, he believes a good coach should be competent, instills a level of comfort with his clients and confidence and consistency with his message. You know, humility is a foundation of learning. He says, When you’re in a slump, no matter if you’re, you know, a five star recruit or sports star, go back to your bankers, you know, minimize the experimentation, flex your bankers muscle, something you brought up in your route, surround your people, surround yourself with people that will help reinforce your banker skills. And then he got in the back of the Gita. I know I said that wrong. But I’ve read it, I’ve delved into it. But he gave us five really things that stood out, you had to be the right person in the right place available with the right tools with the right effort. And the fifth is kind of like a wild card. But it’s destiny. And luck, you went back to humility said is the ability to recognize that value. So get into that, read it and remember that knowledge is with you. And if it’s not, if you don’t feel like you know, something like my good friend, Leah Woodford passed on to me, get your asking here. If you don’t know something, ask somebody because there’s someone out there from the bannister effect that has done it before something you never thought could happen. Be grateful for those people that have done something for you. And if you have a chance, if they’re not, they’re still breathing air on this earth, then you can reach out to them one way or another and find the answer. If not reach out to time to shine today. And we’ll put you with the right person to help you find the answer. And best thing is my really good friend Shama showed up with kindness, compassion, he led with his heart, and that his head, and he’s just fantastic. I’m blessed beyond all all gratification right now. And I’m thank you so much for coming on. I love your guts. You level up your health, you level up your wealth. You just totally took us to the next level today. Thank you so much. I can’t wait to work with you on something in the future.

Unknown Speaker  32:31  

Thank you so much, Scotty. Thanks to all the listeners on time to shine, and sending you lots of love for 2022

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