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Unknown Speaker  0:00  

Hey, this is John Egan and if you really want to learn how to level up your life, you should be listening to the time to shine today podcast, my good friend Scott Ferguson, time

Unknown Speaker  0:06  

to shine today podcast. Firstly, squad. This is Scott Ferguson and welcome to episode 258 with my good friend, John Egan. He’s a former addict hell of a story you’re about to hear very dark. But he comes out as a beacon light, and really, really leveled up his life and he’s daily and I mean, every single day helping others level up, take responsibility, and really making that next level move to just greatness for yourself because it is in there and you don’t have to rely on substances and anything outside of who you are. So I’m really not going to go too long in this introduction because I want to get into this interview. If you’re know anybody that suffering with any addictions, please let us make a warm introduction to John or just reach out to time to shine today and we can put you in touch as well. So without further ado, here’s my really good friend John Egan. Let’s level up.

Unknown Speaker  1:07  

Time to shine today podcast Farsi squad. This is Scott Ferguson. I got cannibal homeboy here. We’re both out in South Florida. I mentioned that much. He’s really good friend of mine that is went through hell and back. We’ll just start there. I’m gonna let him share his story. His name is John Egan and he’s a person that’s in long term recovery who has found the darkest moments or the beacon of light for others seeking a new way to love and you’ve heard other we’re gonna probably get a little candid on some of our conversation here it’s gonna you could take us down a little bit of a dark path but again it’s time to shine today is the name of the show squad so we he helps people shine now and what better place did it come from and then somebody that actually has went through that hell and back and he’s walked the talk and and how have that cliche go so John again, please come on. Introduce yourself the time to shine today. Podcast first you squad. But first, what’s your favorite color? John? And why?

Unknown Speaker  2:02  

Blue? Blue? Um, yeah, my, the I have blue eyes and they come through my parents had blue eyes. And they were they weren’t assets growing up there. People always bring notice to them. So I kind of fell in love with blue.

Unknown Speaker  2:15  

I love it, dude. And you’re also like, you know if you’re if you’re watching on our YouTube channel or whatnot, I just like pulled right off the cover of GQ magazine. The dude is like a handsome mofo. So but no, seriously, just get a little bit of the roots in you. We talked off camera Off mic. You know, you can share I know you’re an open book you share with me. I want to I want this squad out there of listeners to hear your story.

Unknown Speaker  2:40  

Excellent. Yeah. Where do we begin? I just so I was a, I was a guy that kind of always thought I needed to be the best. My parents never told me that I just had this like distorted belief. And because I wasn’t the front of the newspaper athlete, like my siblings, I just was going to be the best student. So I always joke around, my mom brings it up off and I was in seventh grade. I knew I was going to be taking Spanish in eighth grade. So I was watching you too busy on that summer just have an edge on a job. And like I was a straight A student I actually got an academic scholarship to college. And I don’t say that to brag I say that almost because my addiction I found out was always smarter. I was way I was I was too smart to be an addict. I could not be that. And yeah, addiction doesn’t care how smart you are. I’ve actually never met anyone too dumb to get sober. But I’ve met a lot of people that think they’re way too smart for it.

Unknown Speaker  3:39  

Wow. So how do you say that too dumb to get sober?

Unknown Speaker  3:42  

I’ve never met anyone too dumb to get sober. You know? It’s not rocket science. It actually is very it’s a very simple path. It just takes a lot of internal work I believe you know we got this like internal discord that says I’m not good enough. I’m always comparing myself to others the world’s out to get me this one’s doing that. And I just I always found relief in the substance. So and before I knew it, it did become I just become dependent upon it.

Unknown Speaker  4:11  

Wow. And so is there any kind of some crazy stories that you kind of went through during your finding relief in the substance?

Unknown Speaker  4:21  

Yeah, um, so I did the whole it’s always a very successful six figure kind of developing software around the world and then became an investment banker. And on paper, everything was perfect. And for a while the drinking and the drugs amplified my life and made me a better salesperson. It made me funnier. It made me Whittier. It made me better in bed. It made me the most popular but I didn’t realize that it was it was kind of a lie. And lo and behold you know kind of just like a lot of people story What was one? A luxury became a necessity and I don’t remember when but It was I just needed it to, to get through a day. I had found myself out in Arizona, I, this was kind of one of my darkest moments, I found myself in Arizona. And I went to a rehab. Because I burned all my bridges. I think at that time, I wanted to be sober, but I didn’t really know how to. And men a guy, we just decided we were going to go get high one more time and do what we always did, and say I’m sorry, and please let me back. And I don’t know what happened. But we went down to Phoenix, Arizona, and we found what we were looking for, he took a hit and kind of like, bugged out, as they say, you know, like, got a little weird, I was like, I do not want to get high with this guy. And I was just so I went off, and I continued to use, and I was just gonna use that day and go back. And one day became five and a half months on the street. And at first I was a cardboard sign on the side of the road. And then it kind of led to the sex industry. And I violated every sexual value I’ve ever held dear, for five $10. And that was all the things I never, you know, like, when I talking about being intelligent, it’s not a very intelligent move to compromise your value system for money. But anyone that’s ever worked in the sex industry, you kind of you do something for money to forget about what you just did for money. But then you come down and you got to do it again. And also,

Unknown Speaker  6:35  

back to that necessity, right, that necessity of the luxury and find a relief in that substance. So you’re doing what you felt no matter if it broke your moral barriers doing what you had to do to get to where you wanted to be at that time, right?

Unknown Speaker  6:49  

I think there’s a misconception that like drugs and alcohol are the problem. To me, they were they’re always a solution. It’s a solution that works temporarily. Sure. There. It’s never the problem. me thinking it’s not going to get that bad. It’s the problem. But it’s never that it’s not the drink or the drug. That’s the problem with me thinking it’s not going to be exactly the way it’s been every time you know, when I’m only going to have one or I joke around when you hear people say, Hey, let’s go get a drink. You know, so, hey, you want to go get a drink on Friday? Just by that statement alone? No, I never want of anything. I want lots of everything. So even just that but no, yeah, I can successfully use I one lead to a million. And then I do things against my value system. And I want to kill myself. So oh,

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it takes a man to like actually say that and admit that, you know, because most of us men are like, Oh, I can handle I can handle and you’ve obviously if sought the help out in can you tell a little bit of story about the maybe the last time that you decided to wear that luxury in use, and then how you lack of better term for the listeners out there get clean?

Unknown Speaker  8:01  

Yeah, so um, after being homeless, I do remember reaching out I do remember reaching out and asking for help again, and my parents flew me home. And I swore you know, like the darkness because they thought I was dead. They were searching for me. I never like vanished for five months. And causes like, it was so bad. I was just I just knew I would never be able to use again. Because it was it got that bad. And I landed in Philadelphia and my father gave me a job and I was making six figures again, and I got paid once and I did it again. So it’s almost like even me swearing I was never gonna do it. And by that point with the pain that I put it through. My only decision was to kill myself until August 15 of 2007 I tried to poison myself and God had a different plan that day and I don’t I don’t shy away from that word anymore. I didn’t believe in God for a while but God had a different plan for me today that day. And yeah, lo and behold, I actually began my journey then. But as I come to find out I really knew nothing about what sobriety was. I just wasn’t using and to me that used to be synonymous like if I don’t smoke crack, I’m sober If I don’t drink, I’m sober, but actually has nothing to do with to me sobriety means kind of a new lifestyle. And I learned a lot of lessons that way as well.

Unknown Speaker  9:28  

What What kind of stuff is included in that new lifestyle? of sobriety? Obviously, I said yes, not using

Unknown Speaker  9:36  

Yeah, so my whole life used to be on I want what I want and I want it now and I’m going to kind of manipulate or charm anyone to get through it. If I’m stronger than you I will take it by force and if I’m weaker than you then I will just manipulate you do it. Yeah, yeah. And you’re still your stuff and then help you look for it. Guys. I know that a whole you hear that often. But actually, I remember you know, I told something from someone and there’s a Where’s another? I don’t know, let’s look for but it was in my pocket. But of course I have to be the nice guy looking for it. Right so yeah, so the lifestyle that I choose to kind of live today is kind of based on like principles of integrity and discipline and responsibility and accountability. I didn’t know that when I stopped using in August. And so I kind of you know, whether you want to call it a dry drunk or a scumbag or whatever it was, I was still hurting people not using not realizing that I was hurting people not using, Oh, I like I put the drugs down. But I was continuing to be very selfish and entitled and do things that were illegal. So

Unknown Speaker  10:47  

was there like a moment where you’re like, Hey, man, this is bullshit what I’m doing and yeah, like What made you come into the new lifestyle? Because where you’re at right now, if you want to share where you’re at right now and with helping people that’s fine, but you’re at a pretty high level area. Dealing with some high level clientele. Yeah, you know, so it’s, you know, it’s like what made that say someone’s gonna hire you to do that after what you went through.

Unknown Speaker  11:14  

So I I’m being I just used the word scumbag in early recovery but basically just dying to live in in selfishness in early recovery. I finally met someone that kind of called me on my BS, right? Just say, Hey, call me on my shit. And I he asked me what I did for a living I think it was like seven or eight months. abstinent. Right. So I said I don’t say sober. And I had dressed up the outside, right. So I had the Gucci belt and the Gucci shoes and the really nice, you know, Hemi with the Dysport car with a tinted when I look I’m it’s embarrassing to look back at. But anyhow, I’d like dressed up the outside because the inside was still broken. And he asked me what I did for a living and I told them and in my head, I developed software. But in reality, I was working for a company that was a complete scam. So he told me, he’s like, he’s like, Well, you’re a thief still. And I was like, I’m not a thief. I’m a software developer. And he laid it down. And he’s like, No, you’re a thief. And I and he said, he doesn’t work with thieves. And if I wanted to kind of have some integrity, for the first time, I’d walk away from that business. And it would took it took a bit, but there was something about what he said, and I kind of walked away, and I put myself back into school, and I became a clinician in the state of Florida, to actually help other people that struggle with drugs. And that kind of went on for the next five years, I was a certified addiction professional, I was working as a primary therapist at a facility. And I was married at the time, and I had a baby along the way. And then a car pulled up outside, you know, then all the other stuff like the material stuff, the house and all that. But that’s that’s not kind of where the value, I find value today. It’s nice to have. But that doesn’t absolutely. That’s only temporary, until I’m outside my house. And this car pulls up and they said, Are you Johnny, John Thomas Egan. I said I was like, a little bit weird that you knew my middle name, but I didn’t really think anything of it. I was like, Yeah. And they said, Oh, you’re served. And so that company I worked for in the beginning of my recovery was being indicted by the federal government. So that was my first legal issues. Even in my crack addiction and alcoholism. I never kind of had legal issues. Sure. And here I am five years sober. And I was facing a face in 27 years in a maximum security prison. Oh, yeah, it was It was wild,

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to turn back to using that. So that’s the most amazing

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kind of if I have any message for anyone who’s struggling or might be facing some legal issues, or does not know how they’re going to stay sober. The path of recovery that I had entered that point. The obsession was lifted. And even when I was facing that heavy prison time, the thought of us and never crossed my mind. Sure, I know I’m not cured. And I don’t know what tomorrow may bring, but I knew I was really pleased with a and Joe is kind of neat is I that was if I went to trial. So I ended up taking a plea deal and I got charged with 60 months. And I went to prison sober. And it was everything I didn’t want to do. I was scared. Sure. Well, what I didn’t realize is that I guess God needed me to carry a message of hope into the penal system because there’s a lot of me in there like a lot of people that use and struggle with, with with with Drugs and Substances are in prison. And so even though I didn’t want to be there, I was kind of, I guess God’s vessel in there to carry a message of hope no matter what. And then In the end, it ended up being the best. It’s the best blessing I’ve ever had. Because my pain is now useful for someone.

Unknown Speaker  15:06  

That’s, that is incredible. Wow. So pain is useful for someone that when you left there, you made it through that, we’ll call it a debacle of the situation. And I think are a debacle. Yeah, blessing, a blessing, we’ll call it a blessing, a blessing. But so like you’ve built up through your friend that kind of held you accountable your your your principles, integrity to those plan accountability. Like when you went and made it through that the blessing in your app, kind of where you’re at now? How do you view the people coming in to get clean? And is there any good questions that they should be asking? Have their, their their sponsor even? Is there any good question they should be asking their sponsor that they never do?

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Ah, so there, I’ve learned and my father kind of used to always say, there’s no, there is no easy way. Sure. There’s no easy way all of the greatest things you ever will find in your life will come through hard work. And of course, I was like that, you know, I didn’t listen, but Right. It’s the it’s the truth. If you’re new in recovery, and there’s there’s no shortcuts. No, if you’re if you’re in a high sales position, and you’re and you’re selling dirty, or you’re lying to get the sale, or you’re kind of living in it, whatever you want to, you know, morality takes a big compass. But if you’re deceiving people to get ahead, I would argue that you’re not sober. You’re abstinent. sober, people, sober, people don’t hurt people. sober people have to live on a new set of principles of like, How can I be most useful to you? How can I be most useful in this world that is like, not what I want, but what’s best for everyone else. And that kind of like shift in a mindset, it makes all of our obstacles after opportunity, it makes all of our pain, useful to be able to be used by someone else. You know, that you’ve always heard, you know, you put your hand on a stove, you can learn from it, but if I watch you put your hand on the stove, I can learn from them too. So anytime I meet anyone in early recovery and AR You know, right away, right? They’re there, they’re womanizing, or they’re hurting, they’re either stealing from Target or they’re at a call center and they’re lying to people. I just kind of let them know like, Listen, I’m not here to judge you. I’m just letting you know this is possibly what could happen. Are you willing to pay for the consequences? Or are you actually willing to learn a new way of life not to put the drugs down and be a scumbag? And that word is and I hope that was not offensive but you know when I’m using there is nothing I won’t do to get my next one sure. I will hurt you I will kill you. I don’t want to kill you. But I will if I have to to get it. And so then that Oh, like hurting people they still get what I want. It’s not a sober lifestyle.

Unknown Speaker  18:13  

Right? So it’s in you’re basically living not sober. You’re living abstinent, add it because there’s so much more that goes into sobriety. I love that. Thank you, John. That’s for some error. And I grew up in a household where my dad was an alcoholic from Vietnam. And you know, he had bad bad he’s 40 years, almost 40 years sober now. And he has high integrity, solid discipline. But it was I went through I lived out that last child, that middle child, you know, they had that in the family model. So interesting. So, John, if you’ve seen the movie Back to the Future Alright, let’s get in that DeLorean with Marty McFly. Let’s go back to the 22 year old John Yeah, what kind of knowledge and I guess we call him here at times 10 today what kind of knowledge nuggets you drop in on the 22 year old John to maybe help them level up shorten his learning curve and blaster.

Unknown Speaker  19:12  

This might surprise you. I wouldn’t mess with anything. Nothing. Absolutely not.

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I was hoping to say that

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there’s a real there’s a reader so in the course of going to prison, my first marriage did not work out. And all those like the feeling guy felt like betrayed abandon all that right. What I didn’t realize was that was also a blessing as well because when I got out and then moved around, I actually end up meeting my current wife. We have we have a child as well. And so every time I look at my little kids sin, if I change anything in the past, I would never have fun if I if I if I do didn’t go to prison I wouldn’t be able to possibly be of service to somebody facing legal stuff now, right? The most amazing thing about what I’ve learned through it all is my ownership of my part has allowed me to be in a place of forgiveness, to allow actual true peace and serenity for all parties like my my oldest son with my ex wife. We actually all kind of, do we people ask all the time, like, What do you mean you have family dinner? Well, why wouldn’t we? Sure. I guess my my oldest knows that. I still love his mom. We’re just not together. Right? I’m gonna throw away. Absolutely. Yeah. So we actually have this, like blended family where you actually this week this year is the first year we’re not doing joint Halloween, but we always we always do our holidays together, we’re actually going to do Christmas together, which you would think was weird. But it’s going to be myself, my wife, my, and my two boys, and then my ex her husband and their new kid. And like, we’re just gonna kind of celebrate holidays together. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  21:01  

that’s awesome. That’s an awesome family model to really build on. And it shows that forgiveness, not only for yourself, but all the other people and everything in your life. So, John, how do you want your dash remembered that little line in between your incarnation date and your death date? How do you want that dash on your tombstone? Remember, Brother

Unknown Speaker  21:21  

You know, there’s a quote and I I’m not smart enough to come up with it myself. But I love the I love the I may not be what I want to be, but at least I’m not who I was. Like this continual growth. My perceptions change constantly my experiences change, which kind of alters my reality. But if I can be a better human being today than I was yesterday, it was kind of worth it.

Unknown Speaker  21:48  

That’s awesome, bro. Yeah, what

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are we doing to change? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  21:52  

yeah. I love it. I love it. So Joe. What? Sorry, asked us what what keeps you up at night John?

Unknown Speaker  22:03  

A baby that doesn’t sleep. I will I do you know what I don’t know. Kind of funny you say that I talk about this often. So in my own journey of wellness, I kind of had to uncover kind of some garbage in the past and kind of put it into its proper place. Sure. But that that’s like the work that I’ve needed to do. To kind of like, I look at my part and all of my issues and resentment and hatred and like I own a part and all that. Sure. The work that I’ve done allows me to have a conscious free pillow. I used to I used to be a pillow flipper, you know, 22 times. And what I didn’t realize is that I was just anxious and stressed about I don’t know, something stupid. I said in eighth grade, or the job that I’m going to have next week. Like, I was never in the present moment. But as a sober man today, I sleep very peacefully.

Unknown Speaker  22:55  

That’s awesome, dude. I love that conscious free pillow. Man. I actually wrote that down. That’s fantastic. So what do you think then John, people miss understand about you the most.

Unknown Speaker  23:11  

Wow, we’re gonna go there. So I never realized I was a I was not. I wasn’t a fat kid. But I wasn’t in shape as a kid. And I didn’t realize that I suffered with an eating disorder. I was bulimic in high school. And I never realized like looking back at my cocaine addiction was just an offshoot of my eating disorder. You know, when you’re doing cocaine, you don’t eat, I don’t have to worry about being fat. And then when I got sober now I’d become this have to go to the gym every day. You know, this, this kind of like extroverted, dynamic personality that I and I embraced it. But it really is this like starved little boy who was ignored, you know, because he wasn’t on the front of the newspaper. And so I have to realize that my personality is still I still have a lot of what they call inner child work to do. And there’s moments that I’m okay and everything’s great. And the other moments that maybe I come off a little abrasive or arrogant or what have you, but all it is is sure it’s just it’s just hey, look at me. It’s the middle of town like Right, right we’re here I’m here dude. And you could be paying attention to me but it’s not enough attend. Right? And so I know that that might bother some people the other thing I think I was in nicknamed the rainbow fart or sometimes I walk around with a smile a lot. I laugh a lot. And it’s right. People that are upset have issues with people that are happy. But my truth is I am truly joyful today. Good. The world is a beautiful, beautiful place. It is.

Unknown Speaker  24:59  

It is so Tell me let’s take our cell phone out of this equation our laptop or tablets everything. Quickly, what are three things that John can’t live without?

Unknown Speaker  25:12  

There’s a book that I read often from a secret society my wedding ring nice means a lot to me. Good toothbrush,

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man, give them your pearly whites given going

Unknown Speaker  25:33  

well, I say that when I was homeless. So I was I was a crack. I was a crack core by every definition of that. Eight minutes. But the people that I got high with that were also homeless didn’t have teeth. And even though I was literally eating out of a dumpster with them, they had an issue now, because I had my teeth. So it’s almost like this. Dress up the outside. I’d still broken but even even that being homeless. my toothbrush was a sole possession I had. And yeah, what is important to me.

Unknown Speaker  26:08  

Yeah, proud you’re proud about with that? Absolutely. So, John, what do you think that you’re actually what is your definition of a life well lived.

Unknown Speaker  26:22  

life well lived. I mean, how many people can I help today?

Unknown Speaker  26:32  

Everybody should ask. In my humble opinion, you know, I wake up every day. And part of my intention is to make two people minimum smile. You know, in because I’m a rainbow foreigner, bro. I mean, I love life. I love people try I have my freakin problems, man. And I got them every day on the daily but it’s it’s like this too shall pass man and I overlap my happiness. That’s why I teach the people that coach. You know, like, if you and I are going to go to lunch and be like, Oh man, I meet for you for lunch, that lunch is gonna end you’re happy to meet me that lunch is gonna You have to keep doing shit that’s going to make you bring happiness into your life. And that’s what I really believe in. I think that that’s what you do for people. From my humble aspect and time to shine did a podcast for us. He squatted Scott Ferguson, we’re back with my good friend John and John, you, John Egan. A recovery a former addict, a true sobriety person lives sobriety right now and in John, you and I could talk an hour on each one of these questions, but you have five seconds with no explanations that you’re ready to rock. I think so. Let’s do this. And they’re all they all can be answered. What’s the best leveling up advice that Jon’s ever received?

Unknown Speaker  27:45  

Your pain is a greatest blessing. Yes,

Unknown Speaker  27:47  

sure. One of your personal habits that contributes to your success.

Unknown Speaker  27:52  

Praying every morning on my knees.

Unknown Speaker  27:55  

Thank you for saying that. You see me I’m in my doldrums. You like NAVFOR? He just doesn’t seem like he’s feeling it today. What book might you hand

Unknown Speaker  28:04  

me? Victor Frankel’s search for me,

Unknown Speaker  28:07  

man for man’s search for man’s frickin one of the best books who sits on my mantle has been there. John, what’s your most commonly used emoji? When you text?

Unknown Speaker  28:18  

The two eyes as I mess with some friends?

Unknown Speaker  28:21  

Love it. Love it. What was John’s new year’s resolution?

Unknown Speaker  28:27  

I don’t I don’t have any. I don’t know. devolutions Me neither.

Unknown Speaker  28:31  

chess or checkers?

Unknown Speaker  28:35  

I’m gonna say chess because I don’t know it. Well.

Unknown Speaker  28:37  

Beautiful. Is there any charity and organization like to give your time or money to John?

Unknown Speaker  28:43  

Anything with veterans?

Unknown Speaker  28:44  

Love it. Love. Thank you for saying that. Hear that? My fellow vets. Awesome. Last question. You can elaborate on this one a little bit, John. But what is the best decade of music 6070s 80s or 90s?

Unknown Speaker  28:55  

Oh god classic rock. So the end of the I’m gonna I’m gonna be it’s the end of the 60s into the 70s definitely needle stones.

Unknown Speaker  29:03  

Love it. I love it. Love it. Love it. Yeah, get some great taste, brother. Awesome, John. Leave our squad with one last Knowledge Nugget that we can take with us internalize and take action.

Unknown Speaker  29:15  

There are no there are no conditions on spiritual principles. So I was I my advice is stop saying I’ll love you if I’ll forgive you. If I’ll respect you if just put a period after the principle I love period. I forgive period I respect period.

Unknown Speaker  29:33  

I love that man. I love love. Love that and squad. I know you’ve loved this episode with my good friend John Egan. And you know someone that would compare himself to his sibs, his siblings you know in and he found in worked out in different ways for himself you know, and he never He traps so many knowledge nuggets said I’m just gonna kind of go through my three pages of notes here and pick out my favorite ones. But you’re there’s he’s never met anyone that’s too dumb to get sober. that really stood out to me, you know, he finds that people are finding relief in the substance, luxury becomes a necessity. Drugs are not the problem. It’s a temporary solution to a much bigger problem. You know, August 15 2007 was a huge date for him. And I’m so proud of him and he’ll tell you know, sobriety, you know, it’s, it’s a lifestyle, it’s its principles, its integrity, its discipline, its accountability. Just because you don’t drink doesn’t mean you’re sober. There’s other aspects that go into that. And he’ll remind you in recovery, there are no shortcuts, you got to own it, you got to do the frickin work. And get in there and surround yourself with the people like John, that can help you take that next step. You know, you want you to own yourself, so you can take come from a place of forgiveness, forgive yourself, forgive others, you know, and he’ll say that he might not be what he wants to be, but he’s not who he was. And that is key in everybody’s life. You know, he wants you to sleep on a conscious free pill. I frickin love that. You know, he says pain is our greatest blessing. And then there’s no conditions on spiritual principles. It’s like if I say, You know what, honey, I forgive you for, you know, letting the dog poop on the floor. But now just forgive. You know, just forgive and love and fill it and that’s what we say your time to shine today. And I’m so humbled and so grateful to have interviewed John who was so transparent so it was beautiful what he laid out. I love this guy’s guts. He’s earned his varsity letter here at time to shine today. Thank you so much for coming on. John. I can’t wait to talk to you soon.

Unknown Speaker  31:33  

Thanks. Got pretty good. Guy back everyone by now. Hey, thanks

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