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Anna!  Please introduce yourself to Pam to shine today podcast Versus Spy. But first, you know what’s coming? What’s your favorite color? Or why? And why?

I am prepared for this question. My favorite color is yellow and blue. I can’t choose I’ve always been one of these people that I go back and

forth. While they why is that what what do you think the to

love yellow, but I love blue. And my middle daughter is the same way. Really, she loves more than one color.

I love it. And they’re both in your color wheel. So I love I love it. So let’s get a little bit that every every coach, you know has a story and how they got to kind of do the coaching and leveling up. But let’s kind of get to the roots that kind of got you to the point of the Rockstar coach you are now

I grew up in Virginia. And that’s where the accent comes a little bit. And I’m the youngest of six kids. We are all still really close. And we had two parents that were good people that were damaged. They’d had hard childhoods, and they did the very best they could they were good people and they provided well for us. However, my dad struggled with alcoholism, and was abusive. And as the youngest of the six, I was protected a lot by my older siblings. However, I saw a lot that I should have never seen. And there weren’t a lot of coping skills taught. So all of us have struggled with dealing with relationships and overreacting. When you grow up in a place like that you kind of have chronic anxiety, really, you’re always waiting for the other shoe to drop. And I think a lot of people can relate to that. So I wanted to not raise my kids that way.

Yeah, I love it. And so we’ve we’ve probably both heard that, you know, a lot of lot of people have a foot in the future foot in the past and they piss over the president. Right. And that’s what a lot of that what I feel, at least from my studies, a lot of that chronic anxiety comes from is that they live if you picture a car, we have a big, like a little rearview mirror and a lot of people kind of live there. And there’s this huge windshield and the President is actually in your car to drive someplace. Do you find a lot of your clients that you start working with to kind of pull them into your process that you have to kind of get through that little review window first?

Absolutely. I mean, you’re completely correct. The one thing I would add is, the problem is 80% of what we do is Automatic. It’s, we don’t even know we’re doing it, it’s habits. And so I call them thought habits, even emotional habits. And what happens is these habits, patterns become part of our personality. And the problem is these patterns or wires as neuroscience calls them, or run in people’s lives without them knowing it, because the awareness is not there. For example, myself growing up, we didn’t have real happy holidays, it was always a big family fight. It was always awful. And so I had three great kids, a wonderful husband and a lab. That was wonderful. And I would find ways to stir up trouble and create drama and chaos. And thankfully, my husband one time looked at me and said, Why do you do this? I’m like, do what? He’s like, why do you create this craziness? And that, like, clicked with me. And so then I was on a journey of Yeah, why do I do that? It’s the same thing. Like if somebody got bit by a dog, and they were six? Sure. And you ask them when they’re 60. Do you like dogs? They’ll say that. Right? Right. Unless they’ve done something to work through the fear of dogs. We label things as we go through life emotionally.

Love it. Were you told no, a lot when you were a child.

I didn’t even get to ask I don’t really get it. It was pretty like worth parents. And you did what we say.

Yeah, that’s, that’s the thing, especially from our generation. Yes. And even now a little bit is like kids are told no, on average, 135,000 times by the time they’re 13 years old. You’re born were born salesman, right. But you were conditioned. I mean, you’re conditioned by eight older siblings, right? And be like, No, we don’t even ask, right? You’re conditioned even.

And Snop.

Right? Yeah, you didn’t just kind of did it. But it’s, that’s I think a lot of at least my clients, they’re kind of past comes from the negativity or the know, you know, that then they pull that forward through that rearview mirror in the car into the present, and they’re afraid to get after it. So do you what do you think then, and it makes a great coach, not a good coach, but a great coach.

This probably isn’t popular, but my style, what I believe in is connection. Okay. And everybody I coach with I share about myself, I’m complete open book, I feel like it makes them understand that they’re not alone, that I’ve suffered to that. I’ve gone through a lot, and I’m okay. So therefore you will be too. And I am very open about that. And I mean, honestly, I get connected to my, my clients, they become friends. And I mean, years after working with them, we still keep in touch and TV. That’s what I mean. That’s what I love. Really.

Right. Right. I love that. That sounds to me that your your have a lot of empathy, a lot of your own vulnerability, and you probably listen a lot more than you’re doing to talk, I know that you share the story that you’re you’ve been there you’ve you’ve walked this path, but I think listening is a huge quality of yours.

Well, thank you. What I’ve been told is I’m very, I’m very intuitive. I can feel what people were feeling. And when with that really helps with because I’ve worked with a lot of men. And a lot of men seem to not have the language to express what they’re feeling. And so I can do that. For them. I can try to pull some things out of them. And then I can say, is it this or that you’re like, Yeah, that’s it. So it’s a lot of intuitively feeling and putting myself there. Yeah, and honestly, I think it’s just God. Yeah, it is. It is not anything I do. I don’t take credit. And I just keep things simple. And give it very even though it’s all based on brain science. I keep it simple enough for a 10 year old.

Mentioned neuro is kind of the neuro linguistic programming that you’re working with.

No, I am trained in emotional brain training. Okay. What we now know with the new brain scans the FMRI that we can see this is when we found out that the brain can change even when we’re older. Even you know, we’re not hardwired to react the way we react. Sure. And with that, we learned that we are provoked emotionally. And so what I do is I get to the emotional part of what created the mental block. Like you were saying they were told now well, there’s an emotional reason sure that, you know, they felt like they weren’t good enough. They felt like they didn’t deserve they’re not worthy, or whatever it might be. That’s an emotional belief that has been wired in, and it can be rewired.

Love it, I love it and your baby process that you’re maybe using during the discovery period? What what is some of your secret sauce that you might use to help them find that initial blind spot?

I have tools that I use, typically, as you know, say, so what’s going on? Like you probably do, and then you know, it’s always questions. I love it power of the question. Yeah. And I use the what question and never use why or what? Yes, um, you know, and I’ll say, so what made that? You know, what made you think that what made you feel that you’re drilling, and then I, when I kind of have the idea? I say, Okay, let’s use a tool, because I can get to it. Typically in about eight questions. I love it.

I love that’s a sign of a great coach, too. Because, again, a lot of people are coach Sultans, where I’m a coach that’s up here. There’s people that I coach that played professional baseball, and, you know, they forgot more about baseball lover, no, you know, so, you know, if, but that’s the first barrier that I work with. It’s like, you don’t even do this in business, or you’re not an actor, you’ve never been on the big screen and whatnot. And at first, that was a hard objection for me to handle but I just kind of say you’re gonna have a conversation, we’re gonna get you to where you need to go through questions I’m going to ask because 95% of our my sessions anyways, are probably a lot like yours, where it’s questions and they they, because the person has the problem inside them, but they also have the solution inside that. Great coach, like you gets that out. Yes. Fantastic. Questions. I love it. I love it. So speaking of questions, if you’re in that discovery period, or whatnot, even further down into a coaching relationship, is there any good question that you wish they would ask you, but never do?

That my client would? Mm hmm. Gosh, that’s a good question. What do I wish they would ask me? I guess I wish they would ask me. You know, what is? You know, what is it that you do? I think this is definitely, what is it that you do that makes it stick? Ooh, that’s strong. Because if people would just do Yeah, they would do things. It’s a habit. It’s a lifestyle. It is not, you know, 60 days, that’s BS, right? Bs, it’s got to be every day, your whole life. And it’s got to be become, I mean, like, while I’m sitting here with you, I’m using tools, right? Then I kept calming myself, I keep focused, you know, they’re constantly in it. And when you’re not in it, right? brain tells you, hey, get with it.

Right. And it’s my dog. He comes to studio every time I do podcast interviews, and he’s my biggest reminder of being present, right? It’s like I mean, it’s funny, there’s this caption that I saw one time or a meme or whatever they call him now, where is a man and a dog sitting on a park bench. And then there’s these little like comic strip bubbles above the head and above the man’s head is like dollar signs and work and travel and wife and above the dog’s head is the exact same view that they’re looking at its present. And that’s it and that’s something that I teach a lot of my client or not teach I coach a lot of my clients sign is that every moment there’s a teachable moment there’s something you can learn and take from that can become a habit. You know, over time that becomes a lifestyle like you said, I love it. So how long and I have to ask you this because you know, you have the habit crushing it, you have programs that are designed around making good habits, lifestyle, but how long does it generally take in your mind to make a habit, a lifestyle? I understand there’s commitments if someone’s fully committed, right to your system, your kick ass system and Oh, Coach, how long does it generally take them to get that habit to be lifestyle?

This it took me a long time to create it. The person who created like it all came together. It’s took him six months. Okay. Since then, the younger you are, the quicker those old dog new tricks, right? Those wires aren’t nearly as deep. All right.

It’s funny you said that no, because it’s, it’s not even psychological wires. There are actually physiological wires that are involved in this. I mean, a kid’s brain is mush until they’re 25 is still growing, which you can get in there and help them level up during that time. And if you get a guy that’s 35 3040 or 50, like me, the physiologically when you start doing those habits, it physiologically affects you like you get anxious, right?

Yes. Well, that brings up a few points. Yeah, first, you know, our brains number one job is to keep us safe. Yes. So it’s always scanning safe or unsafe. And it’s, it’s leaning towards unsafe. Oh, once to be sure. And then the second thing is your brain resists anything new. Because if it’s new, it might be unsafe. It hasn’t seen it through yet. Right? So it’s gonna raise even if it’s good for you, and you want to do it, your brain is gonna say, Oh, I got a new job. So excited. Oh, no, I can’t do this. Um, so it can be the best things, you know, going on vacation? Yeah, where did that were really, I mean, it adds stress. Anytime you have more decisions, you have to focus more anything that takes you out of your structure. Sure. COVID. And what happened? Right, what is still happening, right? Because now everybody got used to being home and not seeing so many people now people are freaking out because they’re uncomfortable seeing people. routes, right? The brain will adapt. Once it knows it’s okay. So you have to I mean, we it’s amazing. Our brain is so adaptable. However, you know, we’ll do anything. Not to feel pain. Yes, we will stay in horrible situations. 30 years right now, because the the initial pain of addressing something or or taking action is just so scary. The brain says no, don’t change don’t change. At least I know what I’m going to get. Right. And I’ve survived

it. Yeah, we’ve survived 100% of our worst days, right? Yeah, it’s pretty nice.

I just read a statistic yesterday, you know, this is Suicide Prevention Month. And I read a stood a statistic. Well, not a statistic, but something that was recalled reported that suicides are at the highest they’ve been since World War Two. Right. Now, I’m obsessed with World War Two. And the thought that a World War was the highest hit then at that point. And now today. That is scary. It is. That was shocking to me. And it’s high. I just had no idea. Right? It was in comparison to World War Two.

That’s crazy. Yeah, I actually saw that same comparison. That’s why I’m such a vendetta with me, a little brother killed himself. And I had five guys and I served with and it took their life. And, you know, it’s it. There’s a lot of psychological turmoil that people are going where before it was psychological, but there was also the thought of, I’m going to get killed, you know, in the world.

Unless you’ve done it,

right, right. Yeah. And I’ve been there. So I know that, you know, you had to get up for certain situations, you know, and I, luckily, I grew up with a really hard father, you know, that. Like you he wasn’t conditioned for, like, love and affection to use condition like, dude, life is gonna punch you in the mouth, be ready for it. And I’m gonna do everything in my power. I’m gonna put you into every sport and basically to get me out of his hair a lot. You know, my dad is my best friend. So I talk shit about him all the time.

But I love the job, though. I mean, he must have sharp salutely other way.

Yeah. Yeah.

I love it. I love it. And like a perfect example of that is you are already desensitized to physical and emotional discomfort. Sure, right. And that’s the key. It is. It is the key to desensitize and what people won’t do, like, you know, a very simple example is I had a player that was a freshman. And he was super homesick. I mean, like, yes, and One of the first questions I asked freshmen, and I’m doing a freshman program right now to help these kids is who got you up for high school? Did you get yourself up your parents, you know, who got you up. And if they say their parent, one of their parents, that tells me a lot. Because it tells me their parent was more anxious about them getting to school than they were, and they didn’t worry about it. And then I asked questions like, do you do your laundry? You know, how much sure how much did you take on? Like, because if they didn’t take on a whole lot, the transition is going to be even more stressful, beautiful. The simple things are

overwhelmed. Oh, true. So Right.

It was with this kid, I just asked questions about him. And he told me all these things. And then I said, Okay, get ready. And I just made him think about them and play them up and describe how awesome that was to go home and see his mom and his mom eat dinner. It was so good. And like laying in your bed it all this stuff. And he would just be so at an eight. And then we would breathe it back down to like a four.

Again.

That’s all that was I love

the your approach to that. And it was all done through questions. And we will understand the power of questions because so many people are so ready to tell you how to do something or give you from their experience. Or, you know, tell they’re more interested telling you their story than listening to yours. You know, in an awesome coach. I really, really, really appreciate that. So, no, have you seen the movie Back to the Future? Oh, yeah. All right. Let’s go back to the double deuce. I don’t know if it’s O’Connor. Yeah, but let’s go back to the double deuce. The 22 year old. Okay. What kind of knowledge nuggets? Would you drop on her? Not so much to change anything? Because you have an awesome husband? Awesome puppy. Three awesome daughters. You know, what kind of knowledge I guess would you leave it? Do you have three daughters? Did we talk? Okay, sorry. Okay. So we’re getting knowledge nuggets, would you drop on her again, not to change so much. But to help her maybe shorten the learning curve level up or blast? Maybe just a little bit quicker?

The I mean, my mantra that I learned not talks in my 40s I would say that. Here’s the secret. You have everything you need. Right inside of you. Yes. You have everything you need inside of you.

You should listen and be okay. Which you have listened.

is pretty deep. Yeah. Probably not understood. Like my mom would always say be steeled. Be still. And I hated when she was no, that’s how she would say, and I hated when she would say that. And that now I get it. You know, I got older and I understand and I’m, you know what, I’ve gotten it, I would have appreciated that I had something in me. I’ve always had to God. And I believe that’s where God lives. Yeah. And so if you can go to that, though, if you believe in something else, or if you just believe in nature, or whatever, if you can go because that carries inside of you. Sure. And it’s and it’s proven, we do have our own emotional healing inside of us. Now, if you have a chemistry thing, of course, you know, that’s what medication is for sure. And take care of business just like if you had diabetes. But if it’s if it’s something that you can work through with a coach with a therapist or what ever, then you do have it in you really can do it.

How How important do you think then, that love is in your life?

It’s number one. Yeah.

How do you define love?

Love is I mean, I’ve heard that Adam, you know, I’m sure you’ve heard His love is like, love his actions, and time and attention.

I love it. You know, you know, it’s awesome about how you answer that is. You didn’t answer it as an emotion. It’s like you almost answered it. Like Love is everything. You know, and I love that you said that because a lot of people like oh, it’s how you feel or me? No, dude, it’s everything you just said, you know, it’s its actions. It’s, it’s everywhere. And I appreciate because I want to ask you that as a coach, I ask all my coaches that because I come from a place of love with absolutely no wanting of reciprocity. I’m open to it. But I don’t and I appreciate you answering like that. So how do you want your dash remember that little line in between your incarnation that your expiration date hopefully it’s a long ways down the road like that. How does How do you want your dash remember?

I say I want to be remembered as somebody that I Um, I was loving and laughing and having, you know, connection with people and caring. And, you know, honestly, I feel like with all the young athletes I work with, I’m like a mom and part of the store part of my story. And they actually say that to me. Part of my story is I had a lot of trouble having children and, and I absolutely loved children. I was a teacher, and I just loved children. And I lost twins and went through such heartache. And it’s so funny, you know, God now has given me you know, more than I ever dreamed of with my three daughters. And then I have all these young people. That I’m like this mom, as they say that you can tell everything to Yeah. And I think as a loving laughing mom.

Yeah. That’s, that’s fantastic. So let’s do it another way. Like, what do you think that people misunderstand the most about you, Anna? Wow,

I don’t know. Um, I think sometimes I think what I’ve learned as you get older, I think I’m very optimistic. And what I’ve learned lately, I would say is that there’s givers and takers, and I know that and I think people take me being I’m a giver. I’m just very giving. I was taught that and I will give to a point. Sure. And I think people don’t realize I have probably a tougher side than they realize.

I like it. Like it. Have some fire in me. Say it’s like yeah,

that’s what I thought just from what I’ve looked at and research about you the your, your favorite color would have been purple. Because I think that you’re just a purple perfect mash between red and blue, where you’re pretty chill, but there’s that stuff that I was, you know, I mean, daddy always kind of have a better like, I bet her favorite colors purple. But when you said blue and yellow. I love it because they both fit you. But it’s just the same color of like the University of Michigan. I’m in Michigan.

I love it. I love it. So what is in his definition of a life well lived?

Well, I would think you know, freedom to be who you are and freedom to love your life and people to share it with.

I’m sorry, I’m taking notes. She’s love it. I love it. Beautiful. That’s beautiful.

Are you something I have in my program? I do three mindsets. I keep it super simple. Blue is like you’re calm focused. You’re you know in a great place yellow you’re you know working you’re a little anxious trying to figure things out and read you know, you’re checked out you’re you know, freaking out that’s your survival one. And so when you said blue and red I was like oh my god that’s so funny.

With the yellow in there, I love it. Yeah. This is beautiful and time to shine in a podcast versus squad we’re back and Anna you and I will meet up one time we’re going to rock some stages and you and I will probably sit and talk about each one of these few of these questions, you know 1520 minutes in each one of them but within our lightning round You have five seconds with no explanations. I mean No, I’ll just ask that question.

Are you ready to rock I’m ready Alright, let’s

do this. Let’s level up and uh what is the best loving up best leveling up advice you’ve ever received? Be yourself Yes, sure. Whatever your personal habits are contributes to your success. self regulating eautiful so you see me walking down the street? Yeah, Fergie looks like he looks like he’s an adult jumps a little bit what book might you hammy to level me up.

Um, I would probably Untethered Soul by Michael singer.

Right. Great freakin book. Thank you for saying that. What is your most commonly used emoji?

The week with the tongue hanging out laughing a whole bunch of things. Nicknames growing up. Little Richie and Anna Banana.

I love it. Ah, chess checkers on monopoly.

Tucker’s

similar love it. Go to ice cream flavor.

Mint Chocolate Chip.

You i are like you’re my sister from a different mister. I’m calling you right now man. Love it. Love it. So there’s a sandwich called the Anna Banana O’Connor build that sandwich for me.

It would. It would be basically like a be a very simple BLT. melted to make it warm with avocado.

Love it I just a little man candy on there that bacon that’s beautiful. So you can take a time machine can’t change a thing. But you can just observe for one day and come back to the present would you go 20 years in the future or anytime in your past just to observe?

Yeah, I love Winston Churchill.

I love that you

love and I love

like the whole, you know, the darkest hour and just how he was so tenacious and creative. Yeah. And it was their finest hour. That is just

I love them. I love them. The portrayal of him in the crown is a really good portrayal and Netflix the crowned with Queen Elizabeth story, watch. The whole thing is great. It’s great. Can we for the next season? I swear, I’m a period piece. I’m breaking my own rules here. But I’m a period piece person like you my favorite time is the Civil War into the Gilded Age. Right but I do love the Revolutionary War. I’m like that, that weirdo when I go speak and I go into Boston and I blacked up a whole time tomorrow just to walk the yellow stripe that Paul Revere wrote, right? Yes, that’s That’s me. I’m that loser that just goes off by himself. Any go would you come down here to Florida, there’s so much history that we don’t even that you don’t know. Start digging into it’s beautiful, beautiful August. Let’s keep that thing going here. But favorite charity and organization like to give your time or money to

I have a lot I always get to St. Jude’s thank you you be a part of a backpack buddy program, but it ended. And you know anything with kids. I’m also passionate about suicide prevention. I have been doing a lot, especially right now on my platform, and trying to draw attention to athletes. I’m focusing on college student athletes because 33% of athletes say that they are depressed, anxious. Yeah. And the sad thing is only 10% even seek not that they actually do it and um, and you know, because there’s not time because of the stigma because it’s just not convenient. Yeah. They don’t want it to hurt their playing time. And thankfully, with University of Maryland, I was able to go down there immerse into the men’s lacrosse team and it was amazing though to sit in the bleachers and guys would come up and talk. Yeah, there was no stigma. And that’s that’s my passion I want to see a mental health trainer on you know, every camp is just athletic trainers for the body and the pains in the strange mental health trainers for the mental and emotional pain

and I love that and it’s just crazy because I it well we told them I told you off camera about the suicide vendetta that I have and you know a lot of these kids that I found that coach you know high level college athletes division one as well in you know, they’re the best in their hometown right I’m their are the highly recruited didn’t go to Maryland or Florida State or wherever. And they’re just one of the guys and that can play a ton on that, you know that Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, but we got to keep it moving a little bit. But Okay, last question. What is the best decade in music 60s 70s 80s or 90s?

Wow, like country.

Okay, beautiful. Which era of country? I mean, I’m really interested in because I’m a country boy.

Well, I’m from Staten Virginia and that’s where the Statler brothers are from and my best friend’s dad is I know you know, so you know the 70s 80s Yeah.

Yeah, I love that. I love it. My dad actually picked cotton with the lead singer of Alabama radio and yeah, that’s that’s pretty cool story you get to see him and stuff my dad lives. He worked in the industrial north up in Detroit, but he worked he got there when he was a kid he worked from 1966 to 1996 he literally packed up and moved back down to the side of Lookout Mountain and Alabama so it’s it’s pretty cool so I get to go visit him there It’s my little time to turn off because my phone don’t work that’s awesome you know it’s just me my dad we go cast and blast and you know we get in a boat and take a shotgun and some fishing reels and go catch some fish and shoot a couple of that kind of person. I’m not that kind of guy but it’s a Tough bonding between my old man and

yeah, my family you know they’re just in Virginia but they act like them. You know up in Maine or something. I can’t believe I’m this far north

that accent Yeah.

I went to NC State new and see down there. Okay. Yeah, no love here but I will have something down south one day my daughter is

dutiful. So how can we find Janna

you can find me the easiest way if you want to DM me, or message me is to go on Instagram at AU coaching. That’s the easiest way to connect with me. Of course you can go on my website. And I believe that links and show notes and we in the show notes. Yep. And contact you know, you can contact me that way.

Beautiful, beautiful, and you have to accept our requests on LinkedIn soon. Okay, I’m just telling you that we

need to say Instagram because that’s the only one I really do. That’s

fine, that’s fine. We just want to make sure this gets out because I know a lot of my peeps out there and LinkedIn are listening right now and it’s just a beautiful thing so and it to me one last salad it leaves us with one last Knowledge Nugget we can take with us internalize and take action

have compassion for yourself try to look down from above and see yourself from above. And just see yourself you know for all the good and all the not so good. We’re all human and just have compassion for yourself.

Love it. In squad we just had a super super fun conversation in a basically is a kind of a free masterclass that, you know, like different Anna, she’s the youngest of six, still close with her siblings, because their siblings kind of raised her, um, she had parents that, you know, she said, we’re kind of damaged. But it’s a lot of kids. And especially in that day and age, there’s a lot of, you know, mouths to feed and whatnot. And Anna luckily had the siblings to pull her through and she actually pulled herself through as well. And you know, with chronic anxiety, you know that it’s something that can lead to a bad thing like suicide, that my good friend, Anna and I are very passionate about fighting, you know, that she wants us to understand that 80% of what we do is automatic, you know, we need the habits to become our life not just to change for a few days, but to actually become who you are, you know, a great coach who says it has great connection, a great listener listens with their neck is really leaning in to what you’re saying. And they will make sure the client knows that they are not alone. And she’s even vulnerable with their own story so she can make that connection to really build a relationship as well as a coaching client professional relationship. You know, as your coach if you’re not working with Ana, ask them what they’re going to do within their process to make sure that it sticks you know what’s going to change that brain chemistry will physiological and psychological to know that it’s going to adapt to make things it’s okay and it just dropped so many knowledge because I have pages and pages of notes and I’m just pulling you want you to remember also that you have everything you need right now everything is inside you it’s going to be okay if you don’t feel it’s going to be okay please reach out to enter reach out to us we’ll make a warm introduction to Anna she’s gonna be remembered as someone that was loving laughing full of connection full of caring so basically and is planting trees she’s probably never going to sit in the shade up and those are the people that I love to surround myself with you know a life well lived to and is freedom to live love and most importantly share share what you have to have also compassion for yourself. See yourself from above. You know all the good all the bad you get them both and then you have the facts of life. That’s the song that just comes out that’s what my really good friend Anna does. She loves Opera House she’d love opera Well she’s our diversity squad letter here at times shine today. Absolutely love your guts and I cannot wait wait wait to collaborate with you in the future. Me too.

So love your your show. It’s great. So much good stuff.

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