My knowledge nugget this week real quick is, you know, I tell people all the time, don’t take life too seriously. ’cause none of us are getting outta this thing alive. I’m not talking about slacking or living reckless. It’s about perspective. We [00:01:00] grind so hard, chase so many check boxes and measure ourselves against highlight reels that we forget the simple truth.

This whole ride is temporary. When you really get that, you start to loosen your grip. You stop chasing approval and start chasing presence. You laugh a little more. You connect a little deeper. You stop needing to win every argument because you realize most of it doesn’t even matter in the long run. That doesn’t mean you don’t push hard.

It means you push from gratitude, not fear, you train, build, love, and lead. Like every day is a bonus realm because it is. So today, squad, let’s lighten up. Smile in the struggle. I always say, you know, go into the pain cave, hop on the struggle bus. You know, call someone you just, you haven’t talked to in a while, and just tell ’em how much you appreciate them.

You don’t need to wait for the perfect moment to live like you mean it. We’re not making it out alive anyway, so might as well make it matter. While we’re here and squad talk about this, I, I interviewed my guests that we have in studio today, like four years ago, and we’re always talking about meeting up and unfortunately we haven’t really gotten round to, but now I have him in [00:02:00] studio and he’s a straight up force in nature.

A good friend Eric Gel, he’s just not a two-time bestselling author, an award-winning documentary and filmmaker. He’s a storyteller who likes fires and leaders everywhere he goes. For more than two decades, Eric’s been sitting down with elite performers from battle tested athletes to boardroom powerhouses, digging out the raw, unfiltered truth about what it really takes to rise, lead and thrive.

You’ve seen his work featured in Forbes NPR discovery.com, but it’s his newest book. It’s not so much new anymore, but it’s a book that really locked into me. Lions raises lambs that’s shaking up conversation around leadership and purpose. This isn’t about playing it safe. It’s about waking up with a line inside you and charging towards your mission with Ferocity and Heart.

He’s a man who’s walked through the fire, studied the greats, and now teaches others to lead with both courage and compassion and Varsity squad. Let’s lean into this. Eric, thank you so much for coming on, man. It’s been a minute. Yeah, it has been a minute. It seems like we text four or five times a year, but actually, you know, get in person.

This is a, this is a [00:03:00] blessing, you know, you think we 

Eric Rogell: lived across the country from each other rather than an hour away, right? That’s true. We both in South 

Coach Fergie: Florida, you know, so. I gotta ask you, man. Sure. When did you realize you weren’t just kind of telling stories, but you were kind of forging leaders?

When did you, when did that come to realization? ’cause people listen to you. Like I even said on my podcast, you’re like the most interesting man in the world like that. Yeah. The commercial. It’s like, you’re that guy. Yeah. 

Eric Rogell: Yeah. You know, it’s, it’s interesting. We know when, when you think about it for, it’s, um, I grew up, and I say this in the book, I grew up raised in a culture of fear, right?

Coach Fergie: Yeah. 

Eric Rogell: Everything was gonna kill me, you know, raised by a single mom. Yeah. So a lot of it was being imprinted by her fears. So it was a lot of, everything’s gonna kill me, right? Everything’s gonna hurt me. People are gonna try and take my stuff, right? People are gonna try and tear, so be very afraid. That’s how I grew up.

Right? And then in the book, I talk about the culture of courage, right? Which is the opposite. You can do everyth. Um, we believe in you. Right. Get in there and get [00:04:00] it done. Right. You know, you may get banged up a little bit, but you’re gonna be okay. You 

Coach Fergie: fail, you fail forward. Right? That’s right. And 

Eric Rogell: like, we don’t have wins and losses.

In my world, it’s wins and learns. I love it. What did you learn from that? Right? That’s right. Not a mistake. Yeah. You got some wisdom from that battle scar. Absolutely. What are you gonna take forward? And so for me, you know, there was one day I, I really woke up and I was playing it safe. You know, I was, I was working at a financial publishing company.

I was making great money. But I, every day I’d get up, man, and I just couldn’t look in the mirror. And I’ve been doing some work with men and I was sharing my story and, you know, um, helping mentor some, some young guys and working with some executives. And I went to my mentor, it was a guy named Rob James, who was the co-author of the book with me.

This is really our story. And I said to Rob, I just go, I can’t do this anymore. 

Coach Fergie: Right? 

Eric Rogell: I gotta do something. More aligned with this purpose. Right. And it’s funny ’cause he just kind of looked at me and he smiled, he put his hand on my shoulder and he said, we’ve been waiting for 

Coach Fergie: you. Love it. [00:05:00] 

Eric Rogell: And that’s when I kind of knew like, you know, this was my purpose.

And I’ll tell you, you know, big change in the financial, leaving that job and trying to go out on my own and, but I was energized every day, man. I was waking up and I’m like, this is what I’m doing. I have an intention, my intention every morning. Is, I’m gonna move at least one man forward today. Love that on the path, right?

Love that. And I, and I stick to that. So like today, this would be part of that, right? Sure. This is part of my intention. Or if it’s a phone call with a client, or if it’s just running into somebody in the supermarket or a coffee shop and having a conversation, 

Coach Fergie: they complimented about something. There you go, man.

It’s just, so, 

Eric Rogell: that’s it. So that’s really where I learned that, you know, this was my purpose. This is what I was meant to do. I tell men all the time because look, and it’s mostly men because we’re taught from a young age, Hey, be the provider. Sure. Be the guy. And so men go out and we get a job and we [00:06:00] do things and you know, we’re on that hamster wheel every day and miserable.

Right. You know, you know this ’cause you work with a lot of men too. And it’s just, they’re not living their purpose. They’re not living their ideal. Right. And, and that’s kind of where I was. And so that’s. What makes it such a joy for me is being able to, you know, take these men and go, you can still make money in your career, but how do we get you fulfilled?

Coach Fergie: Love it. 

Eric Rogell: How do we get you living your purpose? 

Coach Fergie: Yeah. 

Eric Rogell: Being the man you’re meant to be, and 

Coach Fergie: you. The thing is, is like you, you one man a day, which a lot of people, you know, one of my coaching, they, my clients laugh at me now, but they’re like, you know, I tell ’em inch by inch, its a inch right by the yard. It’s hard.

Like just get that little momentum going and it just builds and rolls. Like it happened with you. Yeah. And also having that intention. You are able to, ’cause a lot of people have imposter syndrome. They’re like, when I get on stage in front of like 2200 people three weekends ago, I was like, whoa. And, and my, I, I felt like an imposter.

Half the [00:07:00] crowd out there could spank me with their wallet. Mm-hmm. I mean, they were just Sure. They were all C-suite executives. Yeah. Whatnot. And an experienced speaker who I. Immensely respect. You know, it’s Einstein. I’ll just say it was Einstein. He’s amazing. He’s like, Fergie, like, what’s going on? I told him, I’m like, I’m suffering here, man.

He is like, what’s your intention? Because I was attaching my confidence to my capabilities. He goes, what’s your intention? And I said, to make one person in here leave better. And he’s like, then go out there and do that and lean into your intentions. All of a sudden, my confidence race. Right? Absolutely.

You know, listen, just to have somebody like that, my dad 

Eric Rogell: was in radio back in his early days. He went to college for that and I had a. Very small radio show forever ago. And, um, he said to me the one tip he could gimme is you’re speaking to one person. Right. Just pick that one person. Just talk to, and, and that’s how the book was.

Coach Fergie: Do that a lot, bro. 

Eric Rogell: Yeah, I do that a lot. Well, listen that, that’s kind of how the book is. I mean, you know, I, Rob and I wrote this, our intention was that men were gonna get the impact that you got out of it, but you’re [00:08:00] really writing it to one person. Right. And when I thought about it, I was writing it to myself.

Coach Fergie: Sure. 

Eric Rogell: And, and that’s really how you are. And it reminds me of, um, a couple of things came up in the movie. One was, uh, Hacksaw Ridge, one of my favorite movies. 

Coach Fergie: A great flick. Yeah. And it was 

Eric Rogell: just Gimme the strength for one more. 

Coach Fergie: Yes. 

Eric Rogell: Right. Just one more. Just one more. 

Coach Fergie: Right. 

Eric Rogell: When you tell yourself that, and it could be anything, you know, it could be, you know, just, just one more person I’m gonna lead or one more, uh, life I’m gonna impact or.

One more hour with my kids or whatever it is. You get that one more. Right. And that’ll just move you forward. Right. And it takes away that overwhelm of, man, I gotta save every man. I gotta save all of them. Right? No, man. Just, just save one more 

Coach Fergie: to, to put your whole perspective together and what you’ve did.

Mm-hmm. You know, you’ve interviewed elite performers mm-hmm. As well, right? Across widely different, you know, arenas. So if you’re stripped the tactics away, what’s the single inner practice that they all share? That, you know, that how you can keep something that they do maybe 10 [00:09:00] minutes a day, they’re non-negotiable for their day.

What do you see the, the, the most successful people that you’ve interviewed or that you coach find that their, their most successful thing they do per day? 

Eric Rogell: Listen, I, I would say it’s, it’s one of the things that I got from Rob, from my mentor, and that was, you know, we, we do a, a meditation practice, love it every day.

And I’ll tell you, for me, inha, you know, inherently I’m a doer. I’m the guy in the hamster wheel that wants to do, do, do do do do, do, do. Go. And, and the biggest thing for me is, was realizing that it’s not about what you’re doing. It’s who you’re being. 

Coach Fergie: Ooh. 

Eric Rogell: And it’s your beingness that moves people forward.

Coach Fergie: Right. 

Eric Rogell: Right. Like you could be, it’s what they 

Coach Fergie: see, 

Eric Rogell: it’s what they see, what they feel, what they experience in you. And, and so for me that, that daily practice gets me focused, centered in the present moment because my whole. Thing growing up was, um, regretting the past and worrying about the future. 

Coach Fergie: Right.[00:10:00] 

Eric Rogell: Well just be right here. 

Coach Fergie: Right. 

Eric Rogell: And that took me out of the doing and got me more into being 

Coach Fergie: we’re human beings, not human doings. 

Eric Rogell: Correct. Right. You know, people see 

Coach Fergie: that. Yeah. You know, and, 

Eric Rogell: and, and the thing that I get is even today, like I’ll do something and I’ll, you know, something will come up and I’ll be like, alright, what do I gotta do?

What do I have to do? Well, what you, what you know I really do is I just stop and get present. 

Coach Fergie: Right. 

Eric Rogell: Just breathe, I’m here and let me just get present and then I can focus and handle it from there. Love that. And so it’s the beingness. And I tell this to men all the time, you don’t have to do anything to be a man.

Right. You don’t have to. 

Coach Fergie: Sure. 

Eric Rogell: You know, a lot of guys come to me and they’re like, ah, you, I gotta grow a beard and get tattoos and, you know, hunt and kill and do whatever. Well, I mean, listen, if, if you’re into that, great. That’s awesome. Not a requirement. Right. It’s who you’re being. 

Coach Fergie: Right. 

Eric Rogell: And so we have in the book, and I know you said you read it, so you’ve seen it, is the warrior, the lover, the king and the hero archetype.

Coach Fergie: Yes, sir. 

Eric Rogell: If you’re stepping into those archetypes, you’re being that warrior, being that lover, being the king, [00:11:00] being a hero, it reflects greatly on the people around you. 

Brian Mudd: Sure. 

Eric Rogell: They see it, they feel you. And so for me to answer your question now, getting back to it, is it’s the beingness of who you are. Right.

That matters more than what you are doing 

Coach Fergie: for anybody. Right. And, and out of the, the, you know, the warrior, the lover, the king, the hero, you know, the there, the archetypes. Which one do you see in men these days that is most chronically underdeveloped? 

Eric Rogell: Uh, that’s a great question. You know, one of the things I always hear, and you and I even mentioned it before we got on the air, was.

This whole concept of toxic masculinity. 

Brian Mudd: Sure. 

Eric Rogell: Right. So I always say, you know, masculinity is not toxic. It’s misunderstood, misused and mistaught, 

Coach Fergie: right? 

Eric Rogell: So these young men today don’t have an example or a role model of what is really healthy masculinity look like, right? So here’s what has the [00:12:00] healthy masculinity looks like.

It’s what we call in our work, right? Order masculinity. What does that mean? We lead with our warrior. Yeah. We support with our lover. The integration of our warrior and lover is where our king comes in. So I’ll tell the men that I work with live from Your king. They know right away it’s leading with my warrior, then my lover.

So I call it lion hearted 

Coach Fergie: lead. Love it. Yeah. 

Eric Rogell: Right. Lion heart. So the lion comes first. Now in our warrior, those are our traits. They’re just beautiful that like. Being a maverick and bold and confident, courageous, a leader, a mentor, a guardian, and you know, an adventurer, all these great things. Sure. In, in, in us as men, and then supporting that with the lover.

Sure. Lover is wisdom. Wisdom is on our lover side. Generosity, trust, inspiration, beauty, creativity, [00:13:00] playfulness. All the things that make life so just juicy and delicious. Right? Right. When you can integrate your warrior and your lover and the man that has both king, 

Coach Fergie: archetype king. 

Eric Rogell: So that’s the thing that I think is so misunderstood right now, is that look, I mean, if you really wanna look at it, the warrior and the lover is the masculine and the feminine.

Coach Fergie: Love it. That’s 

Eric Rogell: true. Now we all have masculine and feminine in us. I’m not talking about men and women, male, female. Masculine feminine energy. We’ve seen it for centuries on the yin yang symbol, right? Sure. That’s what that is. 

Coach Fergie: Hold that thought though. Yeah, go ahead. Because I gotta get us to our sponsor real quick with Steve to give us a real estate update for this week, uh, from Rise Mortgage.

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Coach Fergie: Hey Steve, thank you so much for the market report and again, blessed to have you as our sponsor here and again here with with Eric. Raelle, the author of Lions Raises Lambs and the book just, he starts strong with it. I mean, you, we dig [00:16:00] in and, and one of your quotes in there is the end of human race will be that it will be eventually die of civilization.

Eric Rogell: Over civilization. Yeah. Yeah. That’s, uh, Ralph Waldo Emerson. Yeah. It’s a beautiful quote, 

Coach Fergie: isn’t it? So like, it is so true because there’s so many. Uh, you know, like the, the tough men make easier times. Easier times. Makes weak men. The weak men, and, you know, and on and on. So you were kind of talking a little bit about the energy and the masculine, the feminine, how they kind of come together Yeah.

To make, 

Eric Rogell: yeah. And, and, and the important thing to remember is we have both, but leading with the warrior is key. And I’ll tell you why. Listen, a lot of men will come to me. They’re like, well, I want to be loving and I want to be kind, and I want to. Have compassion. Absolutely. I agree. But when you lead with that, it makes you look weak.

Coach Fergie: Understood. 

Eric Rogell: Right. So if you’re leading with your boldness and your courage and your, you know, um, mentorship and, and, and, and maverick ness, we’ll just say you’re seen as stronger, and then you can [00:17:00] show that that other side to yourself. Right. That’s why, you know, listen, if we were just warrior, only masculine, energy only, we would be.

Overbearing 

Coach Fergie: ego would take over 

Eric Rogell: and just crazy. Yeah. You know, nobody want to be with it. 

Coach Fergie: Sure. 

Eric Rogell: You have to have that loving heart side, especially like in our relationships, you know? But the women wanna see that we’re strong first. So that’s why I always say lion hearted. Love it. Right. Lead with the warrior, support with the lover.

That’s the king. And when men get this and start doing this and their relationships, they come back to me. They’re like even, even in leadership in their business or like when their business, if I’m leading as the warrior with my team, but then I have that support that Sure. I believe in you, you know, compassion that side.

The, the, the changes are remarkable. Yeah. In what they see. 

Coach Fergie: And, and like you, you’re not crushing the ego. ’cause you know, ego that, that’s kind of built from entitlement is bad. Right. But ego built from capability can work for you. Right. I mean, a lot of, I do have a saying, you know that your ego is not your amigo [00:18:00] Right.

Sometimes. Right. Because it can go off the rails. Sure. What like, and I kinda want. Saying that I want to kind of transition into today. Okay. And like, you know, with kind of a no filter look at the kids today. Sure. You know, ’cause I, again, I’m blessed to speak at high schools a lot and it’s something I do for free and, you know, talking to ’em and I’m just not, and I’m afraid.

For the future Sure. And stuff. Especially from the masculine side or the, the men’s side. Yeah. Tell us what is going on out there that you’re seeing. ’cause I mean, you wrote it in this book. Yeah. I mean, I could preach from this book all day. Right. But like, I wanna hear it straight from you. 

Eric Rogell: Yeah. Listen. You know, and one of the things we tried, we, we, our intention to do, I’ll say, so our intention writing this book with Rob and I was really looking at how men are raised today.

I use myself as the example. ’cause look man, I’m the first one to admit, I was raised in a culture of fear. You know, I always joke that my mother, uh, raised me like a veal. I had to be very soft and tender and not get bumped or bruise. Yeah, [00:19:00] 

Coach Fergie: yeah. 

Eric Rogell: Right. That was me as a bubble wrapped kid. Right. And, and she was doing it not out of malice or trying to hurt me.

It made me weaker, but she wasn’t trying to hurt me. She was trying to protect me. That’s the only way she knew how to do it. 

Coach Fergie: Right, right. 

Eric Rogell: So I look at it that way, and I’m glad you said the ego, because look, the ego is either. Not your amigo or it can be your amigo. Sure. And when you, when you look at it in terms of.

My ego means I’m better than you. Right. Or I’m entitled to this. Yep. Then it’s, it’s bad. But if your ego is, I’m the, I’m the guy that’s gonna spread this message. If you didn’t have a big ego, Fergie, you would not be doing what you’re doing. Nope. You would not be getting up on, you couldn’t get up on those stages.

So it’s, but it’s become your tool. Right. It doesn’t run you, you’re running it. Right. That’s kind of how I look at it, and I think what I’m looking at today and, and kind of why we, we did this book. Was, there’s a lot of entitlement out there today. Sure. And I can speak this because I was it, I had this thing growing up that I [00:20:00] discovered, um, I’ll tell you a very, very quick story.

Sure. I was a cub scout. We had a cub scout like jamboree. They used to do those big cub scouty things and they had a raffle and they were raffling off all this, you know, fun stuff. 

Coach Fergie: Right 

Eric Rogell: in my den. Every kid in my den won a raffle prize except me. So I was, you know, this weak little kid. I start crying, I’m upset.

My mother is running around yelling at people that, this isn’t fair. Whatever. I go home, I’m in my, my room and I’m, I’m crying and I’m being the little whiny victim boy, which is what I did. And one of the guys in my, my den, there’s a knock at the door, doorbell rings and it’s him and his mom and he’s crying and he’s handing my mother his prize.

Wow. He felt bad for me ’cause I was the only one that didn’t win anything. Sure. He wanted to give me his right. So what did I take away from that? Fergie? What was my 

Coach Fergie: entitlement? That you’re entitled to get something? 

Eric Rogell: The more of a victim and the more I wanna to complain, right? People will give me stuff, 

Coach Fergie: right?

[00:21:00] Yep. 

Eric Rogell: That became my new strategy. Minute. I’m gonna be a victim and then people gonna gimme things. Right? And I thought it was working right My whole life. Now I get into this, Rob becomes my mentor. He’s raising in a culture of courage. He’s raised on a, you know, um, a cattle ranch with ranchers and Right.

Men that were like John, Wayne and W on Earth. They don’t put up with stuff like that. 

Coach Fergie: Right. Right. And 

Eric Rogell: they’re like, you know, you gotta earn this. And they’re like, courage. But they’re enc encouraging him. Yes. From a young man. Courage. Yeah. Encouraging. Yes, you can do this, get in that pen with those hogs, tag the hogs, you know, drive these heavy machinery at like 12 years old.

Coach Fergie: Right. 

Eric Rogell: So he learns. You earn everything and there’s a sense of accomplishment. Hundred percent. You earn it and you gain respect from the men around 

Coach Fergie: you, and it’s cool to build the ego from there. 

Eric Rogell: There you go. That’s what I’m saying. That’s the good ego, right? You’ve earned 

Coach Fergie: it. Yes, I can do 

Eric Rogell: this. I earned it.

Yeah. What I see right now is [00:22:00] the entitlement Sure. Culture where it’s like, Hey, you know, I just deserve this. Right. It’s everybody gets a trophy thing. Right. And I think that’s where a lot of this came from, was all I need to do is participate and I’m gonna get a prize. 

Coach Fergie: Right. 

Eric Rogell: I know this again ’cause I was there.

Coach Fergie: Sure. 

Eric Rogell: That’s the thing I’m killing off more and more and more in me. That’s ox that’s gotta earn it, gotta get it, gotta go out there and do it. And you know, you’re looking at the politics these days and you’re looking at the culture these days and you’re looking at schools and you’re looking at, you know, organized sports and um, you know, I even spoke to a couple guys, uh, from the NBA actually NBA players, we did a whole thing on.

Entitlement in the NBA right guys that they don’t wanna practice. Sure. They don’t wanna listen to the coach. Hey, I just signed a contract. I make more money than you coach. Why should I listen to you? Sure. That’s what we’re seeing. So we’ve gone from this where you have to earn that kingdom right to where no, just give me my kingdom.

Coach Fergie: Right? Those are the kingdoms Fall. That’s what will happen. Of course, I’ve seen it. You know, you’ll see it. It [00:23:00] happened with me, but I was more raised where compete, compete, compete, and I got good. And then when I didn’t know how to lose the right way or learn. Okay. All right. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. I could see that side of it too.

Both sides, you know, because I was raised by a father, right. Where like it was different. It was almost like I needed some of that feminine. And I got it. Luckily I had an aunt in my life Yeah. Who was there for me that, that kind of like said, told my pops like, relax dude. 

Eric Rogell: Well that’s where you understand where that warrior and lover can in.

Right. You have to have both and integrate ’em to be the king. Right. And that’s, that’s where we get lion hearted from. 

Coach Fergie: Right. So if courage plus compassion is kind of like the new leadership edge that you kind of talked about. Okay. So gimme a scenario where be more compassionate. It might have made you or one of your clients you work with stronger and not softer.

Do you have like an example maybe that you Um, 

Eric Rogell: I got, I, I’ve got a, an example that I usually give for, for, for corporate, for leaders. Sure. [00:24:00] And you know, let’s just say Fergie, you work for me and you’re working on a project and it’s Friday afternoon and I’ve got this thing’s gotta be in my desk Monday, so you’re gonna have to work over the weekend.

Right? Right. So I come to you and I’m like, Hey Fergie, listen. If you know that thing you’re working on for me, I need that on my desk Monday morning. I know that means you have to work over the weekend, but I don’t care. 

Coach Fergie: Right. 

Eric Rogell: Because if it’s not on my desk Monday morning, you’re fired. Right, right. So how does that feel like as an employee to be spoken to that way?

Yeah. 

Coach Fergie: You, you’re not too well. 

Eric Rogell: Right. And that’s all warrior, but it’s limiting warrior. It’s like overbearing. Sure. And inconsiderate and that kind of thing. Right. And I know a lot of people, I’m sure you two lead that way. 

Brian Mudd: Sure. 

Eric Rogell: And now listen there, there’s some places where that’s perfectly okay. I would say the military.

You were in the military, right? If you’re getting a direct order, that’s just it, right? Right. Or first responders or you know, that kind of thing that works, but it’s just, 

Coach Fergie: it’s a life or death more 

Eric Rogell: in that situation. Right. Different but, but in the corporate world, and that’s where you ask, right? That’s what that does.

Now let’s just take the same scenario and I come to [00:25:00] you and I’m like, Hey, for how are you? You know, we love you here. We love the work that you do, right? We think it’s so amazing and, and I know you’re working on that project for me that you know I need on my desk Monday morning, right? Oh, I know. That means you have to work over the weekend and it makes me feel awful that you have to work over the weekend, but you know, if it’s not on my desk Monday morning, I’m gonna have to fire you, and that’s gonna make me feel bad, right.

How does that feel? 

Coach Fergie: You feel a little bit better, but you’re still the ending. Still kinda, no, it’s, 

Eric Rogell: it’s like you’re blowing smoke. Yeah. And I don’t believe you and I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop and Right. Feel fake. 

Coach Fergie: Yeah. What, without a doubt. Yeah. 

Eric Rogell: So now let’s try this one. That’s the last scenario.

Ferge, how you doing? Listen, we, we, we’ve, uh, made a decision, 

Coach Fergie: right? 

Eric Rogell: The decision is, uh, I need that project on my desk Monday morning. There’s no way around it. We’ve tried, we’ve looked at it, 

Coach Fergie: right? 

Eric Rogell: But Monday morning is it, and I know that means you have to work over the weekend. So here’s what we’re gonna do.

I’m gonna make sure you have my number so you can contact me if you need, need help, love it. I’m gonna give you the number of everybody on the team. If you need anything over the weekend, you [00:26:00] call us. We will have your back. Love it. Because I understand that if we don’t have this. On Monday, there’s gonna be some consequences.

Sure. But I don’t think it’s gonna get to that because we believe in you and 

Coach Fergie: we trust you that across the board it’s, it’s when, when I could go on all day, but we’re, we have to actually wrap this up. Oh no. How can we find you, brother? 

Eric Rogell: Oh, listen, we, um, before I do that, but that last one felt good. Yeah. Oh, a hundred percent.

That was leading with the warrior, supporting with the lovers. See the difference? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Love it. You feel it more. Right. That’s how we be in our families, our husbands, I think. So find me. Go to Lions raised as lambs.com. 

Coach Fergie: Absolutely. 

Eric Rogell: You’ll get a thing on the book. You’ll get some, you’ll get a, you know, the link to Amazon.

You’ll get some free stuff from me. You’ll get, um, you know, some reviews, a little more information on what’s going on. Love it. Some of the other things we have doing, so Lions raised as lambs.com. 

Coach Fergie: Love it. And squad, that’s Lions raised as lambs.com. Lions raised as lambs. Com And also he, there’s a book by that name as well.

The first person that calls in at 5 6 1 4 4 [00:27:00] 0 3 8 3 0. Again, 5 6 1 4 4 0 3 8 3 0. I have a signed copy here. I’m happy to, if you’re local here in Palm Beach, deliver it to you or stick it in the mail. And last question. Yeah. Quickly, what’s your definition of a life well lived? 

Eric Rogell: Oh, when you fulfilled your purpose.

You’ve left what I call generational impact. I love that. Where down the road, it’s like your grandkids. Grandkids are like, yeah, and people say he did it. This is who he was. Generational impact. 

Coach Fergie: Love that. In squads, you hear that generational impact, knowing that. You know that my man here is planting trees.

He’s never gonna sit in the shade of, and you know, he does things for the intention, not the attention. Those are the people I like to surround myself with. So a huge thank you to WJ and O to my producer, Brian Mud, and Eric to actually have him in studio here today and swag. Go out there and have a great weekend.

I love your guts and level up.