L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): Hey, time to Shine today. Podcast Varsity Squa. Welcome back to another powerful edition of Time to Shine Today, podcast with your host, coach Fergie. Blessed to be your gap coach, specializing in peak performance mental conditioning, working with business leaders and entrepreneurs, entertainers, athletes, C-Suite, and students to help them bridge their success gap.

To live a life of options, not obligations on this platform, we are stoked to bring you. High performers who are not just chasing and [00:01:00] attaining success, but defining it through providing an above and beyond service. My really quick knowledge nugget of the week coaching or knowledge nugget, the guess of this episode.

You know what it takes for real courage. It’s not jumping out of an airplane, running through fire or breaking records, although that does take courage, but looking at the life you built. But when everyone’s applauds and saying, this isn’t for me anymore, that’s the kind of courage that changes everything, the kind that doesn’t post well on social media.

That kinda keeps you up at night, staring at the ceiling knowing you’re met for something more. See, it’s easy to stay where you are, where it’s comfortable. It’s easy to wear the mask and cash the check, but every day you ignore that quiet voice inside. A piece of your potential dies off, and eventually the pain of staying stuck outweighs the fear of stepping out.

Walking away isn’t quitting. It’s an act of faith. It’s saying, I’d rather rebuild and truth than succeed in a lie. It’s choosing courage over comfort. Conviction over convenience. Most people never get there because they confuse fear with logic. They call it responsible, but deep down it’s just staying safe and safe.

Safe is where dreams go to die. The moment you find the [00:02:00] guts to walk, wave from what’s not serving you anymore, that’s when freedom begins. That’s when your soul ex exhales and says. Finally, so Varsity Squad, don’t play small. Don’t settle for what looks good, have the courage to walk away from what doesn’t fit, and make space for the life that does, because sometimes the strongest move you can make is just letting go and someone that can help you with that kind of move.

Without a doubt, varsity Squad, I need you to buckle up because today. We’re diving deep into what really means to break free from burnout and start living your calling. My guest is a guy who’s became a really good friend of mine, who helps people not just change jobs, but change lives. Casey Berman is a strategic advisor, career transitions expert and founder of Casey berman.com and leave law behind two powerhouses that have helped hundreds of professionals rediscover.

They’re unique genius. That’s right. Not your job title, not your resume bullet points, but the real strength and passions that make you valuable in this world. Casey’s been the go-to guy for lawyers ready to escape the grind and find fulfillment, but now he’s taken that mission even bigger. [00:03:00] He’s helping anyone who’s right to rewrite their story, get unstuck, and align their work with who they truly are.

If you’ve ever felt trapped in a career that doesn’t fit, if you ever thought there’s gotta be more than this, tune the F in squad, because we’re gonna go really deep. And thank you to my Michigan Wolverine blue friend Oleg Lohee for making this introduction. I’ve been stoked and also Casey’s been super patient and he’s worked around my schedule, which he shouldn’t have to do, and I’m so blessed to have you here.

Casey, thank you so much for coming on. Please introduce yourself the time to Shine today, podcast Varsity Squad. But first, what’s your favorite color? And why?

Casey Berman: Blue? Blue? I think blue. Yeah. I think viscerally, it just has always come to me. I think later on I found that it was like the sign of royalty, I think purple and blue.

Yeah. So I’ll do that. But yeah, blue just comes to me. That’s what I wonder.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): And where you live, which we won’t disclose it, but where you live it’s mighty blue there, like around it’s mighty blue.

Casey Berman: There’s a lot of blue wrapping around us. Exactly.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): I would love to get to your roots, man. Like you’ve [00:04:00] lived quite the life.

You’ve helped quite a lot of people. I wanted get to your roots. We talked a little bit about off air graduate from Cal Berkeley, I believe. Yeah. And whatnot. But tell me a little bit about those roots. Yeah.

Casey Berman: No. Thanks for having me honored to be here. Really appreciate you carving out a small time for me and just great work that you’re doing.

Keep it up. And so I’m honored to be just a small part of it. And big thanks to Oleg who put us in touch. Ah. So if he’s listening, thank you again, man. Yeah, born and raised San Francisco, California. My parents were from Detroit. My dad went to Michigan State. And they eloped. Yeah. My dad went to Vietnam and then got drafted, came back bumped into my mom, who he knew many years earlier when they were little growing up.

And then went to eloped to Tijuana of all places. They were a little crazy. Went back to Detroit. My grandparents weren’t happy with that. Gave them a wedding, right? And then they said, where do we go? Do we go to New York? Do we go west? Where are we at? So they ended up gonna San Francisco in the early seventies.

The IUD didn’t work in 73. I came around. I came around, thank you. And then born and raised. My sister came a few years [00:05:00] later and born and raised San Francisco. I’m an eighties kid. And nice. Went to Lowell High School and and went to Cal Berkeley and then to law school in mid nineties.

Where’d you go to law school? I went to what was called uc, Hastings. It’s now uc, San Francisco Law School. Nice. Right near city hall. Yeah. So I can tell you more about the good and the not so good there, but but then started my career after law school in 2000.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): So I love it. So you said Detroit?

I’m from the Mitten. Okay. But where in Detroit did you live? Or, the people say Detroit, but there’s always the suburbs like, were you in Detroit? Yeah. Or, oh, wow. What mile roads?

Casey Berman: Yeah, my parents are from Detroit. Okay. I was born in San Francisco. They actually went to Mumford High School where Mum for no way early eighties.

Eddie Murphy, Beverly Hills cop. He wore Mumford Phy Ed. So absolutely bro. Nice. So that’s where they’re from. They were on Seven Mile they were born, my dad was born in Muskegon, but they both grew up in the city itself. Nice. And went to mom, went to Bagley Elementary. We’ve heard all these names.

And my sister and I have toured the city and going around, but it’s like we’re from San Francisco, but Detroit was [00:06:00] just this this utopia place, this great place they had in the fifties, sixties growing up. Oh my gosh.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): There’s more millionaires there in the fifties and sixties than anywhere on earth because the auto industry.

Exactly. It was it’s crazy. And just growing up there, and it’s funny, I still have rentals in that area that I own. Yeah. I built my whole real estate legacy, whatever you want. For myself. But my nest egg in, in that area and I go home once a year, just to check on that and to visit and realize why I moved to Florida.

Yeah. For totally a bunch of different reasons. But No, I hear you. That about, that’s about me. But you. Casey, you talk about helping people rediscover their unique genius, right? Yeah. That natural zone of strength that doesn’t always fit on a resume. So what was the moment in your life when you realized you were living outside of your own genius?

Yeah. Kind what did it feel like the day you finally stepped into it?

Casey Berman: No, it’s a great question and for everyone at. I help unhappy lawyers lead the law, but a lot of what we can talk about today is transferrable really to anyone. Yes. Who’s looking to make a career shift. And so the unique genius really is those skills and strengths and enjoyments that [00:07:00] we all possess naturally.

And think of it, I’m a big sports fan, so think of it as your scouting report if you’re an athlete, right? Or if you’re an actor. If you like movies, you know that actor’s really good at drama. That actor’s good at comedy, right? What those, what you’re good at. ’cause the idea is, I know people ask me, what is my passion?

Or what am I don’t really know what my passion is, and I know I’m supposed to say it’s my kids and my family and so on, but I, I don’t really know. And back in the day that kind of bummed me out. Like I felt, oh my God, I don’t know. My passion is like, what’s wrong with me? But really, so what I myopically focused on, I literally put blinders on and said, what am I good at?

What are my skills and strengths? How can I add value? Because when you understand where you’re good at, you can add value, you can fill a pain or a gap. You then can be of service to people. You can help them. And then you get this thing called money in compensation for it, and hopefully career satisfaction, so on.

So the thing for me was in law school I was at, and it just wasn’t, I was joke, I was a Jewish kid who didn’t like blood. I didn’t go to medical school. I went to law school. As really as critically as I thought about it. And it’s beyond all ethnicities. Love this man. [00:08:00] Ethnicities, backgrounds, you name it.

I’ve heard it from all types of people. I just went, right? Yeah. I wasn’t good at math. I wasn’t gonna be an engineer, so I just went wasn’t the greatest move for me. At that time in the mid nineties, I could have gone to some small company called Google or Yahoo and gotten an entry level job, right?

Yeah. But anyway, opportunity cost, but went. Wasn’t a fit. Practiced law for five years in software licensing and I had a great job working in-house counsel for a software company.com and all that, and very appreciative of that role. It was a great role, very appreciative of it. But it just wasn’t for me.

Sure. And so at that point, early two thousands, I started saying like, why am I off? What’s going on here? I got the job everyone wants, all my friends are jealous. Every attorney wants this.com, San Francisco. What? And I was appreciative of it, but it just, so that then caused me to say why am I out of alignment?

What would it take to be in alignment professionally? And that’s where, and I did a trial and error and a lot of stuff I did back then, which took years. [00:09:00] That’s where I coach people now to make it easier for them. But it was really like what, how will I be in alignment? And the big thing, and I’ll just end here, was, as a lawyer, I was on the backend, I was doing administrative work.

I was. Putting out fires. It was adversarial, all of that. And I said that, that’s just not me. That’s like Steph Curry trying to rebound and be a power forward, and under, he just launched under the basket three. Yeah. You’re supposed to launch threes and be a point guard.

So I had to find what my scouting report was, and then I realized over years, it was being more entrepreneurial. Being creative, my writing, connecting with people, interpersonal research, insight strategy. And so that’s, but so that’s really where I backed into finding my own unique genius.

Very cool. And were you

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): telling yourself how was it the biggest lie? Do you were telling yourself any lies to keep yourself stuck where you were? Like, ’cause of course you’re the one that is there, whether it’s, leave law behind or, with kc berman.com and transitioning to Yeah.

All kinds of careers. What do you think the biggest [00:10:00] lie, either yourself or your clients you see that keeps ’em stuck in something that’s say slowly killing

Casey Berman: their spirit? Yeah, no, that’s a great question. I think. Right now with the clients that I have that are lawyers looking to leave the law, the big there’s a few very big lies.

One is, okay, Casey, you’ve helped hundreds of other people leave. But I’m special. I’m different. You can’t help me. Of course, another lie is I won’t be able to make that amount of money. That I’m making now. And then one of the real big ones is this, around identity. A lot of lawyers, a lot of people in general have a big this feeling, this ingrained feeling of they are who their job is, they are who their job title is, and all that comes with it, the stature the place in society, the career progression, so on and so forth.

And so there’s all of these lies that we keep telling us. And what we do is we keep suppressing. The truth, which is you can make a ton of money in many different ways. You are not your job title, or if you wanna be your job title, you know how many other job [00:11:00] titles there are. You can have two or three job titles at once.

When Steve Jobs was head of Pixar and Apple at the same time. Now granted not the best for family life or physical health, I get it. But that really opened my mind to saying. You can be two things at once, who said you have to be just one thing, right? So lots of these lies, lots of these myths, fears, blockers, obstacles, however you wanna look at it.

That, that get in the way of of people now from not even making a change. I’m not asking you to burn bridges or take a leap tomorrow. Sure. Literally just take a baby step. Literally just shift your mindset a bit. Love it.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): Love it. And do you people. Finds you. How are people finding you right now?

What are you finding? Like I know that now that if squad, if you’re listening and you’re feeling that, that you can add value in different ways or just a little bit lost, I’m gonna make a referral, my good friend Casey. But like, where are you finding people are finding you?

Casey Berman: They come to our website, they Google, I hate being a lawyer at two in the morning or alternative careers for lawyers. No, really? Yeah, dude. That’s

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): awesome. That’s

Casey Berman: awesome. Yeah, it’s [00:12:00] not

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): awesome, but that’s awesome. When you said that I can see myself doing that, I hate real estate. Yeah.

Seriously. Two

Casey Berman: in the morning. They find me on LinkedIn. They obviously chat GBT people are putting in, career satisfaction and and we come up there. So that’s great. They’re literally searching out of outta desperation. We get a lot of referrals from also from people that we know.

Say, Hey, I ran into this and you should check Casey out, but we have a ton of free resources on our site. Leave law behind.com. And most people go through it there and then they send a note, Hey, I need some help. And we see if they’re a fit for our coaching.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): And do you work, obviously you probably work mostly one-to-one, right?

Like to

Casey Berman: with the clients. No, we’re very co yeah, we’re very committed. We have a self-paced course where we, people can work on their own and then they have access to me via email and text and whatever else. But then we have a higher coaching tier where we take them one white glove, take ’em through step by step, and helped them get a non-law job.

Our world record was 49 days. Deb from New York we got her, she left her. Family law practice. I think she had, and she got a tech [00:13:00] marketing job in Seattle in four, nine days. But usually it’s 3, 6, 9 months. It can, sure, we can ha it can go as fast or as slow as you want. But it can happen

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): fairly

Casey Berman: quickly.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): It what’s the, that process that you have or secret sauce if you’re willing to share, like where you help ’em? Like shine a light on their blind spot that, that spot that’s like this, like sometimes they, they don’t know. They know, but they don’t know. What is your process for helping them find that blind spot that’s holding Yeah.

Casey Berman: Forgi. Totally. Totally. And I wanna make this as actionable as possible. So everyone take out your notes app or take out a pen and paper if you’re old school. Like I am. And here’s really, whether it’s a lawyer leaving the law, and I’ll try to make this as succinct as possible, whether it’s a lawyer leaving the law, or if you just want to, you’re not a lawyer and you want to just shift careers.

Here’s a real simple format for you, one. Step one, overcome your fears or blockers. What blockers do you have? Even just mitigate them. Even just go despite them. I wanna make my mom proud. I’m gonna disappoint my parents. I won’t be able to make ’em out money. I’m gonna lose my stature. Whatever it, I don’t have a resume.

Whatever it is. Get all of these [00:14:00] fears, blockers, obstacles on a Google Doc on paper and just stare at them because one you gotta move. You gotta see what they are before you can move past them, right? So that’s the first thing. The second thing is understanding your unique genius, which I’m gonna unpack in a sec, but that’s your scouting report.

And then the third step is getting out there. And I don’t just mean applying online at Indeed or Monster don’t. Sure if you want to, but that’s almost false advertising. I see Mariana Rivera and Indeed or whatever, and. Resume goes up a second later there’s a ding. And they get, it doesn’t happen that way.

Wow. I’d be remiss if I said so. Get out there informational interviews, finding evangelists, finding champions, reaching out to cold people to make them warm champions. I can get in more details as well, but overcome your fears. Find out where you’re good at, and then get out there the right way.

Now let me go to 0.2. And I wanna unpack that now, what does understand what you’re good at really mean? It’s your unique genius, what your skills, strengths, and enjoyments. And there’s a very simple way to, to understand what this is. There’s three questions to ask. [00:15:00] You can do strength finders, you can do all of those things and they’re great, but usually they give you a 40 page PDF report and you’re not really sure what to make heads of it, right?

Ask these three questions to three, to five to seven people. What am I good at? Compliment me. Two, what advice do you come to me for besides legal advice or CPA advice or whatever it is? What advice and three, what have I done or what do I do for free? These point to your strengths and what comes naturally to you and what you enjoy.

So legit. And just gather, yeah, gather this brain, gather all these bullet points. People text you, email, get it. And they’re gonna say things like, you listen well, or you plan the parties, or you’re great at planning the trips, or you put the IKEA tables together very well in the neighborhood. Or you’re great at doing the details or you’re the schmoo, whatever it is.

Now, I’m not saying be TaskRabbit, do IKEA tables, but you wanna look at it like, what does that take? The patience, the attention to detail. We helped someone, Gabe Rothman leave law and go into tech. He’s having a phenomenal career now, and really one of the basis was he [00:16:00] was the head of his fantasy football league in college.

Wow. What does that take? Thinking through things, contingencies that were, he mapped out everything. He had this big Excel sheet, like that’s just my frivolous work. Yeah, it was fun and a hobby, but we, he saw wait, I’m really good at thinking about process. Love that. So those are the three questions.

So good. You gather that brain dump, put it on a Google doc and then we have 11 buckets at leave law. Behind we use, but organize them. Schmoozer, bucket air traffic, controller, process bucket, adult in the room bucket. Empathy bucket, whatever it is. Sure. Organize all these traits and then literally just match.

It’s all part of your

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): course that you put another way. That’s it. Yeah. Give

Casey Berman: it I’m giving it here for free. Yeah. Then when you see which buckets rise to the top. That’s what skills you’re good at. Then just find jobs that call for it. Oh, you’re very empathetic. Go to HR or culture. You’re very strategic.

Go to strategy consultant or qualitative research. So I know I went through that quickly, but hopefully those steps are helpful when you see the framework for anybody to really make that career shift.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): Did you get that? If not, I’m [00:17:00] gonna break out that pen and paper and do it right now.

One, overcome your fears and blockers. Two, understand your scouting report, your unique genius. The three questions go that, what am I good at? What would you compliment me about advice? What advice do you come to me for? And what do you I like to do for free? You really think about that. That’s how I got into coaching.

You guys know that when I’m a real estate agent. I’m working with arguably the biggest investment that those people have made to that point in their life. And not only am I an agent, I’m a marriage counselor. ’cause the husband’s and wife’s gonna fight. I’m a babysitter. I’m everything else. So just with my coach to ask me that question, that’s what kind of moved me into coaching 14 years ago.

Lastly, get out there, press the flesh, make the calls, write notes, handwritten notes. That’s where I’ll stand my ground on that. ’cause handwritten notes got me everywhere that I’m at right now. And so let me ask you something then, Casey. Let’s say you’re working with one of your high profile clients or some of you’re working with one-on-one.

Is there any you found out these top three and then the [00:18:00] sub three under item number two, but is there any good question that you wish they would ask you but never do?

Casey Berman: I wish they would ask me more about. Their mindset and I have to push them on it. Yeah, and one thing, not to get too woowoo and so on here. But one thing that really shifted for me, I’m a big sports fan, ESPN and so on, was I realized, I think it was Tom Brady and I’m a Niners fan, but Tom Brady’s from the Bay Area.

But Tom Brady was talking about how he thread the needle. He threw this perfect spiral into the touchdown defenders everywhere. And he, and they were saying what were you thinking about? And he’s I wasn’t thinking, I was feeling dude. Yeah. So here’s this guy, right? Masculine macho guy.

And and here we macho Amer. And he’s he’s just feeling, and I think the feeling of it all, we dismiss a lot and run with me on this Kto Erum. I think therefore I am Descartes, Cartesian [00:19:00] logic from, sure, from the 15 hundreds. Really Western philosophy is built on that. I think therefore I am. But that’s been etched on the side of city halls and libraries all over America.

But it’s only half. It’s wrong. It’s only half the story. What about the feeling? What about the emotion? What about getting in the zone? And so I wish I have to push ’em on this, but I wish my clients would ask more, ask me more about getting into the zone. Tell me more about. The work they’ve done. And so to everyone listening, don’t ignore the zone, don’t ignore the heart and the butterflies in the stomach or the excitement.

You can match it with the intellectual and the thinking of course. Sure. But don’t ignore that. I wish I got more proactivity around, around that.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): And you gotta lock your flow like that. That’s what I am, especially with my professional athletes and I’m blessed to coach, is, who am I, to, coach them.

But what I do is I match. Instead of getting out of imposter syndrome to get into that flow, I match my intention, which my intention is to level them [00:20:00] up, right? To help them live a life of options, not obligations, lean into their ultimate human potential. Once I lean that into that, my intentions instead of my capabilities, things start working for me, right?

And totally imposter syndrome goes away.

Casey Berman: But, and also, I’ll say something like, I’ll have this nugget at 4:00 PM on a Wednesday, and I’m like, this is great. I’m gonna remember this forever. 5:37 PM on Wednesday. I’ve already forgotten it, and I’m back, baby. You need that coach to keep pressing you, yeah,

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): and my clients will tell you, I don’t care if you’re playing on Sundays, Monday through Friday. I get three things you’re grateful for by 9:00 AM their time.

Casey Berman: Yeah.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): If not, they can find another coach and they know. Yeah, exactly. But there’s, I really buy into and the reticular activating system.

I agree. I really buy into that and I think that the more that you put out there, the more of that you’ll get. And for the squad, the more, if you don’t know what there are reticular activating system or the RES system is, if Casey’s Hey Ferg, man, I got a Tesla. I’m like, what’s a Tesla?

So I go over there, I look at it. And I’m like, wow. And I see Casey’s like emotion to it. I get emotional [00:21:00] to it. And when I drive home, how many Tuss do you think I’ll see? I’ll probably see a lot even though they’ve been there the whole time. Okay. So what do we do is we break it open with gratitude and getting it out there.

And my clients, once they get it, especially my athletes, they’re like, oh, I see. I get this. Yeah. So lemme ask you something. If I’m at a. Networking event, on press and flash, meeting people. What are people saying that would make them a great referral or a prospect to give to you? A case for me.

I know, but I want other people that are out there listening that may refer to you, what are they listening for? Maybe not in an event or somebody that like that.

Casey Berman: Yeah. For any, someone who’s eh, I’m, how’s life? How’s work? How you doing? How’s this? How’s work?

Eh. It’s okay. That really what they’re saying is it’s miserable. I’m misaligned, I’m not feeling it right. I’m not sure what I’m doing, and I’m nervous and I’m scared. There’s that fear, right? I’m gonna get laid off. Or, I’m 42 years old, where’s my life going? All of that. So really it’s that, eh, it’s that [00:22:00] pause of something of why, if they feel comfortable enough, the follow up is alright.

Something. Are you okay? What, what would be more exciting? Love it. That’s really, but that I’ve noticed that, eh, I’m okay. I hear that a lot. Ah, I’m, it’s okay. Job’s all right. That is a sign for me to love it. That this person needs some help. Love that. And

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): how about, okay, let’s go back. Have you seen the movie Back to the Future?

Of course. Oh yeah. Yeah. We’re a year apart, man. What did you graduate? Yeah.

Casey Berman: 92.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): Yeah. Two. I was 51. I’ll be 52 this year. Okay. So we’re right in that agenda. Best generation ever. Ever. Yeah. Ever. Let’s get in that DeLorean with Marty McFly. Let’s go back to the double dues, the 22-year-old Casey.

Yeah. What kind of knowledge nuggets might you drop on ’em? Not to change anything, but maybe help ’em shorten a learning curve a little bit. Maybe help ’em blast through just a little bit quicker.

Casey Berman: Yeah. I think there’s. One major one that I would drop on them is that what you think is real is unreal. Now, run with me on this [00:23:00] matrixy here, but what I’m trying to get at is that we project a lot of meaning onto this.

What we see in the world. So we think in the past. Think about a cup, right? You just look at a normal cup. The meaning you’re giving that cup is because of how you used a cup in the past. Yes. You pick it up, put your hand there, keep going, man. There’s this open container. Yes, you put stuff in it.

Now that seems innocuous. You see where I’m going? That seems innocuous, but we’ve learned all that from the past. Yes, we in everything we see the past. Sure. Now, so what I would tell my 22-year-old self is that’s okay. Don’t beat yourself up. That you’re not looking at everything, quote unquote. But just give yourself permission now to look at things in a different way. People say a miracle is just changing your perspective. Yes. So shifting and so why did I go to law school at 22 after college? Pretty much outta fear when you think about it. I don’t know what to do. Yeah. I was afraid to go, like you were saying in the, in early in the show, I was afraid to [00:24:00] explore new things.

Sure. This is just what I’m gonna do. I’m gonna take it easy. So I would really tell, I think one of the main things I would tell is just that shifting of a new perspective and that everything I’m seeing is one from the past and also. I am giving, this is the other thing I would say is I’m giving meaning to everything.

And I am not the victim here. I love that. And I give so with every, that we have, there’s responsibility to it. And so by the way, I’m giving meaning to this. Yeah. I’m giving meaning to this. What meaning do I want to give? So those would be the two main things I would tell my 22-year-old.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): I absolutely love that. And what I, we talk a lot about what I get brought on stage as well about the past. It’s a great place to learn from. Yeah. It’s a great place to visit for good times, right? And I actually put my clients, I’m blessed to coach here in South Florida, in Palm Beach in their car, put ’em in the driver’s seat.

See this rear view mirror. It’s a small for a reason. That’s your path. That’s, I love it. But this windshield, oh my gosh. Big, huge. That’s right. Oh, by the way, if you need help in this rear view mirror, [00:25:00] you know I don’t have the alphabet after my name. I don’t, I’m not qualified. Yeah. But this huge windshield, oh my gosh, where are we going?

But since 2011 on your dashboard, and now you can just have it in your pocket. They put these things called GPS. Put the GPS, that’s where I come in. Yeah. We’re gonna find out where you wanna go and then we’re gonna hold you accountable and getting you there. So I love that you say give yourself a chance for miracle by changing the perspective.

That’s amazing. And that’s, and if you don’t know something, get your asking in gear. ’cause there’s a lot of people that want to answer those things for you.

Casey Berman: That’s right

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): Casey. How do you want your dash remembered? That little line in between your incarnation date and your expiration date, your life date, and your death date.

Hopefully it’s way down the line, but how does Casey want his dash remembered?

Casey Berman: I wanted to say that he had peace of mind. That’s what I’m after right now and I don’t even wanna say that’s what I’m after because that shows lack, that shows I’m chasing it. That just using those words kinda shows you the belief systems.

I still have right power, right? Yeah. I think that [00:26:00] for me there, there’s a line David Foster Wallace I wrote is a quick story where he said anecdote where he is a story of two teenage fish are swimming in the water and an older fish, our age, let’s say is swimming towards them.

And the older fish looks at the two kids and says, how’s the water? And the two kids kinda look quizzically and as they swim on one of, one of the teenage fish looks at the other one and says, what’s water? We are immersed unconscious of what all the culture is around us. And so for me, what I really want that to say that epitaph is to say, what’s the, it’s not found.

It’s not. I think it’s just he sat and he just found his way into peace of mind. That’s what I would wanted to say. I’m free. I’m free of anxiety, I’m free of control. I’m even letting go of control, like you said earlier, letting go. I just,

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): peace of mind is where I’m at right now. I love it. It’s just like you’re, what I love about you is you’re [00:27:00] consistent seeker.

It’s like you’re not really and I’m not trying to put words in your mouth, but it’s no, you’re not really caring what you find, you’re just like, are consistently present while you’re on that route. And I haven’t

Casey Berman: always been that way. Thank you for that. You neither brother.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): I’ll tell you that.

Like a lot even these days, I haven’t, I missed a call yesterday because I wasn’t present. It was somebody that I’ve been working seven months to get with. Yeah. He said he has 15 minutes now. If I said his name, you would know. And so I wrote him a very humble letter or email and he’s dude, it happens brother.

Yeah. And I’m like, not when I’m 53. Yeah, that’s, I would do it. I’m 26, 27. I’m full of myself. I know. I know. So I even get out that, okay. La last kind of serious question here. Sure. But what is your definition of a life well lived? A

Casey Berman: life well lived? I think my definition of that is. Realizing that it is the process of becoming your [00:28:00] ideal self.

Yes. And I heard that, and process is a very unsexy word. Yes. Who wants a process? We want a journey, right? We want an adventure, but there’s no end. Everyone says life’s a journey. It’s not there’s really, yeah, sure our body dies, but there’s no end. So for me, I think I heard a line that said, happiness is the process of identifying your ideal self.

And it’s just constantly working on that process, those gears shifting and it’s pretty boring. Takes a lot of work. It’s not very sexy as a journey, but for me that’s a well-lived life and actually

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): legit enjoying the journey. Creating your journey as you go along knowing that you can’t control it.

’cause there’s always gonna be things kids, like you said, you know that kind of come along

casey. I’m gonna meet you one day, I promise. ’cause when I get, I’ll get out to Hawaii. I’m just gonna bug you until you meet me somewhere. You can even just on purposely be late because that’s what I kinda did to you earlier in our relationship. No, no worries. We’ll probably talk 15, 20 minutes about each one of [00:29:00] these questions, but today you have five seconds with no explanation and I promise you they can be answered that way.

Alright, ready to level up? Let’s dive in. Let’s do it. Alright brother. What is the best leveling up advice you’ve ever received?

Casey Berman: That I’ve ever received. The best leveling up is to be here now, to be present. Present. Love that brother. Share one of your personal

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): habits that contributes to your success.

I get up early. I love it. Yeah, me too. I’m 5 35. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. 5

Casey Berman: 45.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): Yeah. Yep. I’m right there with you, brother. But you’re, I think you hour. Sorry. Nevermind. You see me? I’m a few hours

Casey Berman: behind you. Yeah.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): A few hours behind. And Donny, if you listen, edit that part out where I said how many hours.

Okay. And Casey, so you see me walking down the street or at an event, yeah, Fergi looks like he’s in hisd Doldrums. What book might you hand me that might level me up? That helped you out in the past?

Casey Berman: Yeah. So two Ishmael from late eighties won the Turner [00:30:00] Award. Crazy story about a gorilla, I’ll leave it there.

And then also sapien by Harari, which kind of maps from a historical standpoint, the world, if you will, all of history, and gives a real good idea as to why we are where we are, for better

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): or worse. Love that. Yeah, I could do some deep dive. Beautiful. Your most commonly used emoji when you text. Thumbs up.

Love it. Nicknames growing up?

Casey Berman: Some are inappropriate, but they would call me my last name, just Berman. Yeah, just my last name, the ones I can say on the show. This is very

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): cool. Any hidden talent or superpowers that you have that nobody knows about until now?

Casey Berman: Ooh I, ooh, in talent salami sandwich, I make the best salami sandwich.

Really? With sourdough San Francisco sourdough bread. Yeah. Barna. Love it. Chess checkers or monopoly

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): checkers. Love it. Me too. So simple, bro. Yeah. I’m learning chess,

Casey Berman: right? It’s very simple. [00:31:00] Headline for your life. Headline For my life I need a hook, right? Shift shift happened. Oh, I love that dude.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): Yeah, that’s legit. Our generation, we grew up a shift. Now they’re in pivot. I guess you, I know. I guess you could always say shift. That’s right. That’s right. Blend them together. But ice, go-to ice cream flavor, chocolate. Okay. And I’m gonna give you a nickname of B dog. So B dog. There’s a sandwich called the B dog.

Build that sandwich for me. What are we eating? It’s probably Slummy, right? Yeah, no.

Casey Berman: Okay. Yeah, this is great. So real boudin sourdough bread, San Francisco sourdough bread and the baguette type really thick. We got a lot of good mustard on it. And then we got lettuce, we got salami, we got peppered salami and ccinos, we got onion.

And then we got some hummus actually in there. Gotcha. And then put that together type.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): My fiance owns a bakery and she’s gonna we’re gonna have to mail you out some of her sourdough here in Palm Beach. I love it. We’ll get it out to you. It’s we’ll compare it to Sam Fran. I’m kidding.

But nobody definitely gonna send you some, so she’s [00:32:00] all the awards here in Palm Beach for it. I love it. It’s amazing. I love it. Go. Awesome. Favorite charity and or organization you’d like to give your time and or money to?

Casey Berman: And the Nature Conservancy. Beautiful. We do a lot of hikes with them. They do great work in preserving the environment.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): Love that. And last question, I know the way you’re gonna answer this, but I have to answer. It’s a kind of a canned question, but. What is the best decade of music? Sixties, seventies, eighties, or nineties?

Casey Berman: Oh, wow. So for me it’s seventies, led Zeppelin. Okay. The Led Zeppelin credence. I I grew a lot, eighties, the brew Bruce Springsteen.

Sure. Born in the USA in 84, but. I would say seventies. Yeah. Just ’cause that was leading into the eighties.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): Yeah. I would say seventies. I love it. Like with the seventies is when I’m editing a podcast, like I’m listening to it. I build my own show notes. My yeah. Turns it over. And I always have the seventies on ’cause it’s all storytellers.

Yeah, it’s it. It’s always your CROs, your eagles. Even in the lot with Boston and stuff like that, but being a product of the eighties, it’s like everything happened that y that day. I hear no, invasions [00:33:00] from like U2 and men at work to rap to men at

Casey Berman: to, no, it did. It Did I rem Yeah, no, you Soul train and all led into the hip hop and all.

Yeah. Yeah. Hear you. Yeah, I just, it’s

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): such a transitional fear and also in the eighties it’s kinda like a lot of the hooks today on songs are actually hooks from eighties. There’s a singer called Pit Bull and he’s huge in Miami. Yeah. But half of his songs have one of them is Take on Me by Aha.

It’s crazy bro. Remember that video with the

Casey Berman: comic video? Yes.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): That was awesome. I love speaking to my fellow Xers out there, but

Casey Berman: Minute Work you mentioned I haven’t listened to Men at Work in years. Yes. That’s great. So that’s great. How can

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): we find

Casey Berman: you brother? Yeah leave Law behind.com.

People can find me there, KCCA, SSE y@leavelawbehind.com. You can also check me out@caseyberman.com or find me on LinkedIn, KC Berman SF for San Francisco on LinkedIn. But reach out, send a message, send an email. Would love to chat. Love it. And squad.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): I’m gonna, if you’re watching Vimeo [00:34:00] or you are, maybe on YouTube. This is casey berman.com site, just so you know that you have it. Yeah. And all this will be, I’m sorry, this is leave law behind site. Yeah. But in the Casey Berman site here has got his LinkedIn and he’s even got an XI absolutely love this. So squat, he’s all there. And all that will be below in the show notes.

The zone of the zone of genius finding that zone of genius the framework that we kind of work through is is that what a lot of people, you’re gonna put ’em through as they Yeah. Work with you at first. I love, that’s, and you just got like a free masterclass on this, so I, Casey, I need one more favor from you.

Sure. Please leave this with one last knowledge nugget we can take with us, internalize, and take action on.

Casey Berman: So a call a job description is a call for help. A job posting is a gap. It’s a call for help. So they need your help. And again, I’m not, you can apply online, but also you can create your own job description because everyone needs help nowadays.

Yes. Everyone needs help. [00:35:00] Companies, small, big, large. So get out there, start talking to people. But when you see an official job description online, if you’re hearing someone saying, God, I’m just having a little trouble. I need to grow my sales or something, that’s a gap they have. Yes.

That is a call for help. Love it. You can fill that gap.

L. Scott Ferguson (Coach Fergie): You can help them. Love it. Yeah. I love it. I get introduced on Stages. The Gap Coach, you know where you’re wanna get, where you’re here. This actually works. Perfect. There it is. Man. This is beautiful in squad. Seriously you should have. A lot of notes, like I have at least two pages here and I’m happy to show ’em on the screen now if you’d like to, but find that genius skills that strengthen and that strengthen you and you find enjoyment is, and that you enjoy naturally.

That’s the zone that we wanna live in, that’s right. What, the. In the early two thousands, my good friend Casey here found something was off, but he didn’t just keep grinding away. He leaned into what his zone of genius has become. Some people are who their job is. He doesn’t want you to be that, he has some pretty solid, track record, 49 days being [00:36:00] his best right now for working with somebody, and again. Results are not typical, but just to know that it’s possible. Alright, and then you talked about overcoming fears and blockers. Understand your scatter report, getting out there and pressing flesh, also really dig into the mindset when you’re working with a coach, or hopefully it’s, it’s Casey, but really ask them about mindset shifts that they, that you can use, that you can move forward into flow. And I love that you said, I think therefore I am, that is so played out. Casey added on, how about the way you feel?

How about the flow in life? And I really believe that Casey is, planting trees. He is never gonna sit in the shade of, because he’s out there, he’s really working forward. He does things for the intention, not the attention. That’s one thing I love about being connected with people like Casey.

And again, Ole, thank you so much for putting me together with Casey and Casey. You’ve earned your Varsity squad letter here at Time to Shine today, man of thank you mad so much for coming on. If I can ever be of service to you, please let me know. But just again, thank you. Thank you. Thank you [00:37:00] brother Fergie, keep up the great

Casey Berman: work you’re doing fantastic.

I’m wondered to be here. Thanks for having me.

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